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Dunno about that. Most of mi amigos from the former airline are LCA and senior. As a junior mostly reserve guy my pay lags theirs by $40K or so a year. When you throw in the 401K contribution, we are closer. To make the major career work (spreadsheet wise) some seat progression is required. Even with the raises we have enjoyed the lost of line holding ability and in some cases equipment, has probably the seniority block from ~7,500 to 10,500 earning about what they did in 2008. (could be wrong, this is an assumption from a very small data set of friends who talk about such things)

Not complaining or questioning any decisions.

Bucking Bar

06-06-2013 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1423160)

And so there wouldn't be any morning-after awkwardness when we were pimped to the likes of Trans States! :p

Yep, although I prefer to call it "selling the kids." A whole lot easier if you disenfranchise them first.

Sink r8

06-06-2013 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1422966)

When you need fewer augmented 7ER crews you need fewer 7ER FOs...

Cheers
George

That's actually the one plausible explanation: the interpretation on the new rules just came out, didn't they. They seem to me to really dilute the intent of the regs.

Thanks.

cni187

06-06-2013 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1423139)

Had heard DL was going to ramp up flights out of LAX this summer & fall, now you can see them on travelnet, interesting stuff. Not sure how long they've been there, maybe old news is old. If you look at LAX-SFO on, say, Sept 6, they're operating an hourly shuttle from 7am to 9pm for 14 flights total, up from 11 now. On LAX-SEA they go to 5x a day vs 3x now. LAX-MCI 2x vs 1x now. LAX-OAK 7x up from 4x now. LAX-SJC 5x daily is new service, it's currently all Horizon Q400s. LAX-SMF 5x from 4x now. LAX-PHX 5x from 4x now. LAX-GEG 1x, new service.

Aaand now the other shoe drops: all that new service is done with - you guessed it - Jumbo RJs (CR7, CR9, E70, E75). Good thing they recently got 70 more, otherwise their only alternative to Alaska would be mainline and your vampire LAX pilots would be forced to do something other than redeyes. Oww, the sunlight, it burns! :D Kidding aside, while right now it's just one form of outsourcing replacing another, this does represent another step towards competing with Alaska on the west coast. Hopefully it grows to the point that mainline eventually gets some of that sweet, laidback west coast flying. ;)

Edit: I was actually wrong. 1 of the LAX-SEA flights is an A320. So there's that!

Heard a really oddball rumor from my Dal Mx buddy about 717s finding their way to LA

FIIGMO

06-06-2013 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1423194)

Heard a really oddball rumor from my Dal Mx buddy about 717s finding their way to LA

I can not imagine anyone knows much about the 717, but it has wings so anything is possible! Less Eskimo the better! ( Cranky Eskimos as of late when we want to use our gates at T6. ACS agents say things are getting testy between the partners, who wudda thunkit!!)

Check Essential

06-06-2013 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1423087)

Two major things that I've been told by my reps that stands out,

1.) C2012 marked a significant reverse of flying back to mainline with the 88 717s and drastic reduction in 50 seaters with hard caps on all RJs.

2.) We, the pilot group, weren't able to secure as high pay raises, but we were able to some major protections against JVs and Codeshare agreements that protected pilot jobs at DAL.

The union puts out lots of rhetoric but if you really think about it, I don't believe DALPA has ever restricted Delta management from outsourcing any flying on any jet at any time.
We always sign a LOA or settle a grievance or create a new contract section that allows what management wants. And then we justify it and sell it to the membership by saying it puts super airtight strict carved in stone limits on something that might possibly occur in the distant future. With a slam dunk super colossal 3 year measuring period of metrics that nobody understands or can monitor and then 1 year to correct any imbalance.
That'll teach 'em.

Be it RJ or widebody, domestic or international, if management wants to put our code on it or sell tickets on it or share revenue on it, then Moak and his disciples in DALPA will find a way. That is his history and there is no sign he plans to change strategy any time soon.

iaflyer

06-06-2013 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1423194)

Heard a really oddball rumor from my Dal Mx buddy about 717s finding their way to LA

I would be pretty surprised by that - there is a reason that no one flies DC9/717s west of Denver. I believe there are driftdown requirements that can't be met by that type of airplane. We had this problem at a previous airline.

Columbia

06-06-2013 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1423168)

Dunno about that. Most of mi amigos from the former airline are LCA and senior.

But you said the guy who wrote the article was making more $$$ AND is 15 years younger than you.

scambo1

06-06-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1423211)

There is a DC9 line on the US/Canada map in Chapter 8 of the airway manual. I always wondered what that was for (NewK?). Even still, the DC9 with its turbojets and the 717 with its turbo fans probably do not share the same driftdown parameters.

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