Saying that Delta will hire 8000 pilots, in ten years, does not make sense. Please tell me someone asked him how that would be accomplished. Hire and train 800 pilots a year when they say there not going to hire this year. That means they have to hire and train 888 pilots a year starting in 2014. With this quick math, I am sure that someone asked if we are able to do train that many new hires.

I think CNNSI.com is a porn site.

I did depart GRU one night at MTOW with over 60 empty seats in coach and no non revs, over 40k on cargo. We wondered if we were carrying gold bars.

See this is amusing:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...-WbWn3zbKwqLGc

This is never musing:

Sometimes they'll put it on the WDR if you're carrying high value items like that. We had some of them one day coming back from MEX... In that case, the money value of 2500 lbs of gold bars is staggering. I can only imagine how much value ya'll were possibly carrying.

40,000 lbs in gold would be $921,062,280 according to Your weight in gold

That's enough according to this website http://demonocracy.info/infographics...s_deficit.html to run the U.S. Government in 2011 for 2 hours. And that was in 2011.

And yet little to no hiring for at least another year, maybe more. That really amps up the hiring when it does start...or makes that 8000/10 figure look that much less likely.

Yeah I know its possible, but if they were really planning on that many, the gates would be opening up soon. We'll see I guess.

Anyone post late 90's would be absolutely slaughtered in a merger with a carrier that's done a fair percentage of hiring the last (lost) decade. Absolutely slaughtered. Unless the deal is structured properly on the front end. That will be the true test of how "constructive" the engagement really is. If they have our back like GK at SW, or if they throw their hands up and say "let them eat relative integration".

If that's what happened, fine. Fair is fair and revenue takes priority. I just want to make sure we don't tolerate, much less foster, a culture of relentless D-0 myopia that predjudices treating employees as liabilities because, in addition to not being the right thing to do, that mentality taints the entire web of customer service eventually and often times irreparably. Everyone should always do everything possible to get every last non rev on, every single time. Even if D-0 is at risk for a minute or two (as long as its not the "fault" of the non rev, i.e. showing up at D-0 or D+1, etc).

It's been a rude awakening to realize that SD is no better than those dime-a-dozen slick lawyer airline executives we've grown to expect...but hoped to be done with here.

I must admit, I looked up to him. Cadet wing commander, F-15 superstar, law school, etc. He talked the talk about "integrity." I expected a little more from him.

He prostituted his integrity...and why? For his ego? To make a few extra bucks? He's let himself go physically, and he looks like a wreck. And now his integrity is gone, too.

It's now apparent the company had zero intention of hiring in 2012. Sure, the lawyers among us will say he left plenty of wiggle room in his statement about hiring in 2012. But the fact is, he intended to deceive us into voting for the TA. Deep down, he knows it. He has to. And so do we.

I hope it was worth it, SD.