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Bucking Bar 03-18-2013 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1374426)
Tomorrow at 13:00:D

Great! I'm bidding Dallas.

Scoop 03-18-2013 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL;1374395[B
]I think you guys don't understand the old NWA system - you could never bid over the high time threshold to get 1.5X. It was just a different way of allocating the premium flying that showed up in open time.[/B] The staffing formula was the staffing formula - there was never the ability to manipulate reserve levels to have more or less pilots in a category so that they could be picked up by high time swaps or pick ups.



True - but I don't think it matters now for a couple of reasons:

We are not under the old NW system and the system we are currently under - does let guys bid MAXIMUM CREDIT and put in blanket WSs.

The old DAL system Lines of time did not allow this either - but DALs system has evolved just as the NW system would have evolved without a merger if NW were still operating independently.

Looking back at the good things both DAL and NW had don't really affect us now, and extrapolating what we had in the past with our new work-rules does not paint an accurate picture - we have to work with what we have now- PBS, and thousands of Pilots wanting to fly 90 + hours on a monthly basis. :cool:

Scoop - Just my 2 cents.

SailorJerry 03-18-2013 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1374420)

To correct a practice that has been changed with the introduction of new triggers, and new aircraft. Which was my point: the company is changing the triggers. Let's not have a futile debate about techniques to be used if you happen to catch on. If the tow-in example is too complicated, let's look at the GPS example. Is that not a change in practices?

Bottom line is that we need to have a fair trigger, that accounts an airfract that being sent on it's way, gives Delta the out-time it deserves, and doesn't cause us to lose flight pay. For example, when at a place where we've done our job, we've done some token step (like brake release) or something else that is smart and safe, and signifies our complete readiness to move, we need to get paid. Past practices was to let us determine that through whatever triggers technology allowed, current practice is shifting to the machine deciding on-time.

The Groundspeed Generated out time function has been available since Groundspeed was made available on the ARINC 429 bus on the airplane. The trigger speed was modifiable but was defaulted in most Honeywell products to 3kts (since most IRS equipped airplanes have a drift speed). My guess is that this has been available since the early 80s. The GPS Out time on ACARS-601 comes from a Groundspeed trigger. The IN time triggers at the last time the brake was set prior to door opening. So if they tow you in and chock you, and you don't reset your brake for a couple seconds to reset the trigger input before they open the main cabin door, that sounds a system knowledge failure to me. The GPS out time is transmitted with a door close time, but all that hits is a spreadsheet. All of this scrutiny isn't coming from above average taxi times. It's coming that they've identified a significant amount of time (probably 3.5-4 minutes average) between the OUT time, and the time the airplane actually moves. All it takes is one ERAU trained Intern to find fault with the pilots. But other than switching the trigger back and forth from beacon to brake, I haven't seen any differences in OUT Logic. Certainly no logic that requires aircraft motion for the OUT logic to trigger.

With that said...

The company is WAY out to lunch trying to reorder the push sequence to shorten taxi time. Seems the most fair way to monitor the timeliness of your operation is for the brake being released simultaneous with the pushback call. Why is that so challenging for anyone? Don't have to pushback (EYW) then close the door, release, reset the parking brake, crank and go. Then when the brake is set and both engines are in the OFF mode, they can have their IN time. Everything else is outside the control of the PIC, so it certainly shouldn't impact our block time.

PilotFrog 03-18-2013 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1374410)
For the love of pete, sailingfun, it is 'YOU'RE."

I wish there was a like button on here sometimes.

dalad 03-18-2013 02:08 PM

Rutro, I live in College Park by the ATL airport and my yard is covered in hail, some pieces up to golf ball sized. I hope we didn't have too much aircraft damage.

Wilbur Wright 03-18-2013 02:13 PM

Yikes. Flying from SLC-ATL and just were notified we're diverting to MEM because of weather in ATL.

dalad 03-18-2013 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1374410)
For the love of pete, sailingfun, it is 'YOU'RE."

I gave up a long time ago. He doesn't know how to spell, period. I think he does it on purpose, and if not, he needs to get a refund on his education. That is, unless he went to Auburn. :o

80ktsClamp 03-18-2013 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright (Post 1374455)
Yikes. Flying from SLC-ATL and just were notified we're diverting to MEM because of weather in ATL.

ATL is getting schlacked right now by a huge thunderstorm. North side of town is under a tornado warning...

edit: and the south side too!

Elvis90 03-18-2013 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1374451)
Rutro, I live in College Park by the ATL airport and my yard is covered in hail, some pieces up to golf ball sized. I hope we didn't have too much aircraft damage.

Sounds like Dallas during the last TWO Easter Sundays. During both times about 110 aircraft were removed from service pending inspections that took about three days.

More than 400 cancellations delay travel at D/FW Airport | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

forgot to bid 03-18-2013 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1374459)
ATL is getting schlacked right now by a huge thunderstorm. North side of town is under a tornado warning...

edit: and the south side too!

The hail up here is smaller than a dime but it came down in mass. The news is in freak out mode. Waiting for the larger line just west of us.


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