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Speedbird2263 03-22-2013 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1377747)
You can look it up in the Bureau of Transportation Statistics page under Origin or Destination and Analysis to the right side:

RITA | BTS | Transtats

Both the O & D numbers are the same, so I'll just put one number by each hub. These are 2012 numbers.

1. ATL 37,903,309 (a big O&D hub indeed)
2. LAX 21,587,577
3. MSP 13,780,655
4. SEA 13,483,773
5. DTW 13,019,248
6. JFK 11,137,787
7. LGA 11,055,451
8. SLC 8,758,590
9. MEM 3,130,415
10. CVG 2,631,616

and DFW (since I commute from there) 23,324,375

Others of interest -

ORD 25,207,513

and MCO (for T) 14,216,656

So there is still a strong O&D market to tap in MSP.

The ATL numbers are impressive. Probably one of a few reasons ATL-KIN is back in the running as of DEC 19th it seems, after a lengthy hiatus.

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TeddyKGB 03-22-2013 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale (Post 1377752)
This could really be a bad week in MSP....first the AE beat down then their beloved MN loses to my Tigers!

Gophers spanked UCLA in the big dance.

Elvis90 03-23-2013 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1377802)
That's a great book. My copy is so dog-eared that I just bought the kindle edition. After you finish that one, read "Skygods" by Robert Gandt. It's about the rise and (mostly) fall of Pan-Am.

I'll add this to my Kindle list. I love reading history.

Timbo 03-23-2013 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by Thrust Normal (Post 1377805)
I agree that's one of the best airline books I've read.

I agree, read it years ago. But don't forget to read Flying the Line, Vol. 1 and 2 if you haven't yet. Vo. 2 ends about the year 1999 and covers Frank Lorezo and the EAL debacle.

I wish he'd write a Vol. 3, about all that's happened since 9-11, the mergers, the RJ explosion, the outsourcing, the JV's, etc. Maybe he's just wating until the dust settles a little more.

johnso29 03-23-2013 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1377749)
Even better; CC about to knock off Minnesota


Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale (Post 1377751)
There is no greater college hockey than the WCHA! Go CC!!!:D


Originally Posted by Thrust Normal (Post 1377785)
Colorado College just beat Minnesota:)

That game wasn't on in my area, but I'm sure it was a good one. :)

capncrunch 03-23-2013 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1377440)

And you are basing that on what information pray tell?

ATL apparently has a very lucrative O&D numbers whereas (if you are talking about FLIGHTS and not based employees, I would wager) MSP does not. Believe it or not, it IS about making money, and the current group of execs are intent on doing that very thing, more so than any of the morons that have graced us with their presence in the time I have been here. And I for one do not want us to fly to places where we do not make money. They have been creative, and diligent in attaining their goals. Now, because MSP is apparently in YOUR paradigm of the top 1 places on the planet we should be flying, I am sure they are wrong in their analysis. I don't want MSP to go anywhere either though because all of those guys are senior, and that means more displacements downstream...

Wow...

So many places to point to your own personal issues on this...

I bolded my favorite.

DogWhisperer 03-23-2013 07:34 AM

Gotta Read "Fate Is The Hunter"...read it three times and it has applied to a different part of my career at each reading. Gives you a GREAT perspective of how far we have come and, yet, makes you kinda sad at the loss of our "machismo"....Should be required reading for anyone that sits in an airline cockpit...

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Vikz09 03-23-2013 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1378015)
Wow...

So many places to point to your own personal issues on this...

I bolded my favorite.

Tsquare, Almost sounded spiteful!

I can tell you that Delta is walking a fine line with the twin cities market. I have lived there my whole life and never seen so many people looking for new travel options. My buddy's company (one of the many fortune 500 companies in the twin cities) requires him to drive to a plant in Omaha, NE. Vs. flying. Also noticed that many of these flights are exclusively large RJ now. Perhaps Delta is placing those planes in the msp market because there is a lack of real competition, I don't have the answer but other airlines are taking notice and starting to poach the msp traveler.

Elvis90 03-23-2013 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1378015)
Wow...

So many places to point to your own personal issues on this...

I bolded my favorite.

So I would say, based on the O&D data, MSP has a future relative to the other Delta hubs. Whether or not it remains a pilot base I guess remains go be determined; but if it goes away, then DTW is growing. I doubt MSP will go away.

iceman49 03-23-2013 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1378089)
Tsquare, Almost sounded spiteful!

I can tell you that Delta is walking a fine line with the twin cities market. I have lived there my whole life and never seen so many people looking for new travel options. My buddy's company (one of the many fortune 500 companies in the twin cities) requires him to drive to a plant in Omaha, NE. Vs. flying. Also noticed that many of these flights are exclusively large RJ now. Perhaps Delta is placing those planes in the msp market because there is a lack of real competition, I don't have the answer but other airlines are taking notice and starting to poach the msp traveler.

The yield per ticket is minimally different with the nod going to ATL at 20.1 vs 19.4, however the percentage of the population which is O & D is 38% MSP vs ATL at 24%...but of course the overall numbers bias is toward ATL, but to give up the market would not be beneficial to DL. I agree with VIKZ, but what do I know.


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