Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-30-2013 | 08:42 AM
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The "stuck chock" concept is one memo away from never existing again. As soon as the hassle/threat of latency equals or exceeds the hassle/threat for D+ there will be no more "stuck chocks" and if there are they just won't be unstuck until zero latency. This whole thing is about reducing pilot headcount. Period.
"work harder and/or more efficiently and we will pay you less"
03-30-2013 | 09:43 AM
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03-30-2013 | 10:21 AM
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Massive hit to safety? I doubt that. We used to sit reserve with a two hour call out all month. You often had 6 straight days of that. We never considered it duty sitting around with the only obligation to answer the phone if it rang. It might be a safety hit but massive is over playing it a bit. Besides 14/22 is not the new rule.
I will concede it was a bit stressful at times watching a football game while oncall that was going down to the wire. You never knew when you might get called and miss a great finish!
I will concede it was a bit stressful at times watching a football game while oncall that was going down to the wire. You never knew when you might get called and miss a great finish!
What is the net max duty day, including all reserve time, for the new rules, starting from the beginning of the first minute of being on call? If its greater than 16 for domestic ops, that constitutes a change from current rules and its a change for the worse big time and would represent a huge anti safety concession to the A4A to help "pay for" safety improvements elsewhere and that is unacceptable. Defending that is unbelievable and I hope that's not what you're trying to do.
03-30-2013 | 10:51 AM
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When I was hired reserve was 19/20 days a month. It was a 2 hour callout all the time. Essentially 24 hour short call all month. Sometime after that we went to the window system. It may have been the 91 contract. The windows were 6 hours a day. Normally 8 to noon and 5 to 7 pm in my category. You were obligated for short call in the windows. You were on long call outside the windows. I don't remember how many hours you had to report from long call. How much we flew was just like today. It varied with staffing. I do recall that I could often fill up before the end of the month and get a few extra days off.
03-30-2013 | 11:30 AM
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03-30-2013 | 11:43 AM
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Yeah but I don't see them posting much anymore. Even ACL has succumbed to the ALPA brainwashing it seems. They tried to send me to ALPA "Charm School" in Herndon. Where they bury you in a vat of kittens and you're required to not sacrifice any. I guess he went. He loves kittens now. At least he may defend this anything but salient point.
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03-30-2013 | 12:36 PM
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03-30-2013 | 12:53 PM
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03-30-2013 | 12:53 PM
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03-30-2013 | 12:54 PM
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22 hour duty days for the convienience of crew scheduling and cost savings through reductions in pilot staffing is a massive hit compared to the current hard 16 limit. To spin it any other way is rediculous. Now if that's not the new rule fine, but what is?
What is the net max duty day, including all reserve time, for the new rules, starting from the beginning of the first minute of being on call? If its greater than 16 for domestic ops, that constitutes a change from current rules and its a change for the worse big time and would represent a huge anti safety concession to the A4A to help "pay for" safety improvements elsewhere and that is unacceptable. Defending that is unbelievable and I hope that's not what you're trying to do.
What is the net max duty day, including all reserve time, for the new rules, starting from the beginning of the first minute of being on call? If its greater than 16 for domestic ops, that constitutes a change from current rules and its a change for the worse big time and would represent a huge anti safety concession to the A4A to help "pay for" safety improvements elsewhere and that is unacceptable. Defending that is unbelievable and I hope that's not what you're trying to do.
I will however make it simple for you. The new rule that replaces Whitlow requires that no short call reserve pilot be on short call more then 14 hours and he can't exceed 16 hours total reserve and actual duty time of the applicable FDP maximums from the tables whichever is less. So in no case is the new rule worse then current and in many cases its better.
5 pages of posts over something that is a figment of someones imagination!
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