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Express pilot 04-01-2013 03:44 AM

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I figured it out.

forgot to bid 04-01-2013 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1382931)
Trying to justify your move? :)

Come over to the airbus, I've seen (but thankfully have not flown) 6 leg days here!

Ha, I've got a feeling both will have a plethora of 5 leg days.

Btw, I'be got a line this month and after looking at the reserve availability lists that makes me happy. We may not be at min staffing on the jet but reserves are there.

Bucking Bar 04-01-2013 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1383018)
There was nothing the Captain could do. This is as I mentioned a policy and requirement of the military. They own the flight and cover insurance. There was a bulletin about this last summer. I am surprised crew scheds was not aware of it. The issue has come up over and over again on charter flights.

Sailingfun,

Can you provide a bit more information? I understand it is the customer's airplane. But Delta's insurance cover makes no discrimination for charter operations and includes "war risks" coverage. Further, a pilot on duty only source of recovery against Delta under the law would be workman's compensation, right?

Not sure I get the "insurance" angle.

Thanks.

Dirtdiver 04-01-2013 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1383063)
Sailingfun,

Can you provide a bit more information? I understand it is the customer's airplane. But Delta's insurance cover makes no discrimination for charter operations and includes "war risks" coverage. Further, a pilot on duty only source of recovery against Delta under the law would be workman's compensation, right?

Not sure I get the "insurance" angle.

Thanks.

It's been that way a long time. Sounds to me that your problem was getting someone from crew scheduling/duty pilot that wasn't aware.

Military owns the operation, even on empty positioning legs. If DAL slips some non-revs/DHs/JSs on we could face stiff penalties and lose future mil charters.

Your FCR will come back full of holes. Please post their response.

Timbo 04-01-2013 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 1383070)
It's been that way a long time. Sounds to me that your problem was getting someone from crew scheduling/duty pilot that wasn't aware.

Military owns the operation, even on empty positioning legs. If DAL slips some non-revs/DHs/JSs on we could face stiff penalties and lose future mil charters.

Your FCR will come back full of holes. Please post their response.

I find it odd that the Flight Attendants were allowed to DH on the empty airplane, while the pilots were not...:confused:

I guess they have a better union.

Bucking Bar 04-01-2013 07:51 AM

I was actually scared ... if no L&G thread I was going to have to start on my 10,000 word creative writing exercise known as taxes.

80ktsClamp 04-01-2013 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 1383070)
It's been that way a long time. Sounds to me that your problem was getting someone from crew scheduling/duty pilot that wasn't aware.

Military owns the operation, even on empty positioning legs. If DAL slips some non-revs/DHs/JSs on we could face stiff penalties and lose future mil charters.

Your FCR will come back full of holes. Please post their response.

I shot the holes in there since FA dh's WERE allowed but they would not change our rotation (we were legal) to allow us as well. I'll let you know what they say.

Timbo 04-01-2013 08:02 AM

Hey, all of you Guard or Reserve guys, get ready, they may have to re-activate "Team America".

North Korea just declared war on South Korea!

I don't know if they celebrate April Fools day in North Korea, but if not, that kid really needs an azzwhoopin'.

Or maybe he's just lonely, like his dad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

sailingfun 04-01-2013 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1383149)
I find it odd that the Flight Attendants were allowed to DH on the empty airplane, while the pilots were not...:confused:

I guess they have a better union.

Timbo, We also DH now DH on mil charters if it complies with the contract. This is a recent change the DOD has approved. The flight attendants don't have a contract and get scheduled for terrible duty days on these charters. In Mar a flight attendant crew was scheduled to DH from ATL to ELP, work to BOS and then work to HNN all in one duty period. We are lucky to have a contract and it prohibits that. The pilots were deadheaded in the day prior to ELP.
I strongly suspect in this case a DH home would have been illegal by the contract. The pilot was correctly scheduled to layover. He was trying to iron man it home. If he was legal to DH then his FCR should be about why crew schedules wasted money not giving him a legal DH home on the flight.

sailingfun 04-01-2013 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1383156)
I shot the holes in there since FA dh's WERE allowed but they would not change our rotation (we were legal) to allow us as well. I'll let you know what they say.

You were not legal to DH on the flight unless it was scheduled originally as a crew positioning flight with the DOD and they were notified in advance. If contractually the DH was legal then the focus of your FCR should be why the company wasted money paying you extra to layover when they could have sent you right home had they built the rotation that way.


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