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This might be metal neutral for us, and a huge win for the corporation. The devil will be where and how that metal neutral flying goes in terms of routes. Will we share routes to the same airport, or split them up while still being neutral? I can't see DAL walking away from it's own brand in JFK while trying to be the preferred airline there. OTOH I can't see Branson ceding NYC to DAL either and focusing on subsidiary markets.

There is the potential for our flying out of JFK to be diluted while being capacity/metal neutral or balanced in a JV. This could affect NYC based ER crews adversely depending on which base picks up the flying.

Bottom line is this will be good for DAL, pilots TBD, and likely neutral at best. What I do find interesting is that this deal was tried before earlier this year, yet my MSP reps said they were never briefed on a previous attempt - that occurred just before there was the rush to our TA.

Either someone knew about this and didn't brief the LEC's, or the highly vaunted engagement with management failed to inform the MEC of this little development. I hope it is the latter because the implications of the former are troublesome.

If the goal is for VA to get back to profitability, then I'd expect to see them cut a lot of service to leisure markets and beef up the business markets. So markets like Las Vegas, Miami, Barbados, and Cancun get the axe while markets like Washington, Boston, Chicago, NY get added flights. And they don't serve ATL at all right now, so I'd expect to see a few flights added there to connect to the aforementioned leisure markets.

As for us, our LHR flights are relatively few right now, except for ATL and JFK. I don't see us expanding Delta flights a whole lot to LHR, although with the JV, you might see a new flight from, say SLC or SEA. Or maybe some deal with a city like PHL. In any event, we need our union to negotiate the appropriate protections for us.

hoserpilot

12-11-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1309361)

And that didn't have anything to do with why you posted it?

Did you read what I wrote or just press delete? I wrote JV's blow. She was blowing a bubble. Not even photoshopped. So if I post a pic of a big phalic looking rock in Sedona you'll delete that too? Gmafb. Maybe next you'll delete a pic of a hot dog or two balloons. If that post was from FTB you'd laugh and say, "what a great find!"

Scoop

12-11-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1309345)

All we can do as pilots is put the heat on our union to make sure we negotiate protections for us in light of this agreement.

NAHHHH,

ALPA is too busy trying to keep Pilot minimums as low as possible to help DCI management. After all, if Congress, despite ALPAs resistance, were to raise minimums, Pilot compensation might have to rise and we wouldn't want that, would we? :confused:

I guess ALPA was absent the day they taught supply and demand in school.

Scoop :cool:

From todays ALPA blast:

ALPA, joined by Airlines for America and the Regional Airline Association, wrote FAA Acting Administrator Huerta to urge the agency to grant flight-hour credit to current pilots based on their airline training and experience as they draft new regulations to raise certification standards for newly hired airline pilots. This flexibility is important to ALPA pilots who have been flying for a considerable amount of time, but who may not meet the requirements needed to possess an airline transport pilot (ATP) certificate. An ATP certificate will be required by law for all pilots in FAR 121 operations effective August 2, 2013.
Granting experienced and professional pilots credit for their training and employment experience will allow them to qualify for a new “restricted” ATP that will ensure ALPA pilots remain in the air and do not experience a break in employment as a result of the new rules.
ALPA also urged the FAA to act quickly and issue a final rule on the ATP requirement before August 1, 2013. Read the letter.

Purple Drank

12-11-2012 12:01 PM

Does anyone think this VA tie-up will result in any Delta widebody growth?

That's a problem.

johnso29

12-11-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1309428)

Did you read what I wrote or just press delete? I wrote JV's blow. She was blowing a bubble. Not even photoshopped. So if I post a pic of a big phalic looking rock in Sedona you'll delete that too? Gmafb. Maybe next you'll delete a pic of a hot dog or two balloons. If that post was from FTB you'd laugh and say, "what a great find!"

No. I wouldn't. I would have deleted the same pic regardless of who posted it. To make your point you could pick any picture of someone blowing any bubble, yet you picked a bubble which looked exactly like a male sex organ. Why? Why that pic? You couldn't find any other pic of someone blowing a bubble?

I'm sorry you feel singled out, but I feel I'm a fair moderator. Do I miss things? Absolutely. But if our users utilize the "report post" function then a mod will see it, & if it violates TOS they'll take proper action. Find a pic of a bubble that doesn't look like adult content and I'll leave it alone.

LNL76

12-11-2012 12:09 PM

DAMN. I missed something that looked like a penis???!!!

Sorry, johnso----I couldn't resist. Thanks for your fair-minded moderating. :)

SailorJerry

12-11-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1309432)

ALPA has done a ridiculous amount of work on this issue - a lot of it being done by people who are specialists in the field of pilot performance and qualification. All they're trying to do is substitute on the job experience for hours, so little Joey doesn't come up 100 hours short next August and lose his job.

ALPA was a strong proponent of 500 hours for a restricted ATP after the successful completion of a bachelors degree from an accredited aviation institution. The data was there to support their interests, but it was shot down by the FAA - most likely because the FO in the Colgan crash was a graduate of Central Washington University's flight program (would not be considered an accredited institution).

1500 hours will still stand for barn stormers.

Sink r8

12-11-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1309439)

You do... do a good job as a moderator. I didn't think the pic was anything but amusing, so it was neither here nor there. But if you're going to err on the side of caution, I think most of are infinitely grateful if you err against displaying anything about MALE genitalia.

Sorry, LNL:)

slowplay

12-11-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 1309400)

There is the potential for our flying out of JFK to be diluted while being capacity/metal neutral or balanced in a JV. This could affect NYC based ER crews adversely depending on which base picks up the flying.

Yeah, poor New York. THey've gone from 900 pilots to 1300 pilots since the merger and added equipment.

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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 1309400)

Either someone knew about this and didn't brief the LEC's, or the highly vaunted engagement with management failed to inform the MEC of this little development. I hope it is the latter because the implications of the former are troublesome.

There's some other possibilities that you haven't mentioned, like the MSP reps were briefed but don't remember because they were too busy practical joking and zip-tying people's luggage together, or they misrepresented their lack of knowlege. Yeah, the implications are troublesome.:rolleyes:

Ask them about the great prank with the sex toy in front of female staff members....

Purple Drank

12-11-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1309458)

Look, the misdirection and blame-casting from the usual DALPA propagandists have already started.

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