Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-12-2013 | 01:31 PM
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Carl, for this and so many other posts you make that hit the nail on the head I say "Thank you!" You express the sentiments of a great number of DALPA members, IMHO. When I hear yes voters automatically assume that we wouldn't have seen a contract for ions had we not accepted the TA I just think--"How do you know?" It's a assumption the MEC had you believe. Following up a mistake by the NC with a vote partially made out of fear played out exactly as was hoped for by the company.
05-12-2013 | 01:38 PM
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12:36pm Carl, I just checked all rates for F/O's and have to raise the BS flag on what you said...You should be a politician, reaping the benefits of your exalted position and championing the cause of the majority of APC posters with your very compelling and well stated posts. Carl the "Populist"
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05-12-2013 | 01:47 PM
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IMO, the "answer" is the line pilots getting back to basics. Specifically, that means everything good in life requires risk taking and the abandonment of fear. Remember wanting to date that beautiful girl that caught your eye in high school? You put fear of failure aside and asked her (unless your newK then she asked him
). Remember all the risk you took in flight school? You abandoned fear, accepted the risk as part of the deal, and ended up flying fighters. Then ended up at a major airline. I could go on, but you get my point. What happened to our ability to take calculated risks? Is it a byproduct of achieving the top level in aviation? We're so afraid of losing the top level that we're manipulated by anyone who uses our life success as a weapon against us?
The biggest issue we face is unique to Delta and that is our fear campaigns are waged by our own union...not management. Management would be glad TO do it, they just don't need to. Until we line pilots can make votes based on what can be achieved as opposed to what might go wrong, our national union will continue achieving their goals...to our everlasting detriment. This will be true with a DPA or any representative entity.
None of us would be where we are without the fearless and selfless actions of those airline pilots that came before us. IMO, we're doing a p!ss poor job of continuing that legacy for the young people who will come after us. I'm very disheartened by that. We can change that. Every one of us has the proven ability to take a calculated risk. We just need to get back to that basic ideal.
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). Remember all the risk you took in flight school? You abandoned fear, accepted the risk as part of the deal, and ended up flying fighters. Then ended up at a major airline. I could go on, but you get my point. What happened to our ability to take calculated risks? Is it a byproduct of achieving the top level in aviation? We're so afraid of losing the top level that we're manipulated by anyone who uses our life success as a weapon against us?The biggest issue we face is unique to Delta and that is our fear campaigns are waged by our own union...not management. Management would be glad TO do it, they just don't need to. Until we line pilots can make votes based on what can be achieved as opposed to what might go wrong, our national union will continue achieving their goals...to our everlasting detriment. This will be true with a DPA or any representative entity.
None of us would be where we are without the fearless and selfless actions of those airline pilots that came before us. IMO, we're doing a p!ss poor job of continuing that legacy for the young people who will come after us. I'm very disheartened by that. We can change that. Every one of us has the proven ability to take a calculated risk. We just need to get back to that basic ideal.
Carl
Sounds logical but when half of our list is over the age of 55, how do you convince them to be radical/ get back to basics and risk everything they have for a payout they may not be around for? They are in to the " US Treasury Bonds" portion of their career, not the penny stock high risk you propose. It would be nice, but everyone needs to remember that for C2K the average age on the list was below 47, and that makes a huge difference in what one is willing to risk.
The numbers are not in your favor.
05-12-2013 | 01:50 PM
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Actually, that happened under OMalley and Roberts got left with the mess.
05-12-2013 | 01:51 PM
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Making decisions based on fear and the wrong-headed sense that you've been put in a no-win situation (even when you haven't) is a certain recipe for disappointment.
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05-12-2013 | 01:56 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Word from a friend who attended part of the last MEC meeting is that Moak allegedly admitted under some pointed questioning in open session that he in fact had told some (apparently not the token "Vichy" North Vice Chair) on the the previous MEC Administration about the DAL negotiations with Pinnacle. My reps were not informed. Apparently this was NOT passed down to the new incoming MEC Administration.
If you cant beat em' throw them under the bus. This did what exactly to enhance the pay, benefits, and working conditions of DAL pilots?
If you cant beat em' throw them under the bus. This did what exactly to enhance the pay, benefits, and working conditions of DAL pilots?
They aren't going to recall him. He does whatever he wants. Collectively, we can't even get together on a letter telling him not to authorize other oilot groups to make deals with Delta management for Delta flying.
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05-12-2013 | 02:04 PM
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05-12-2013 | 02:09 PM
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I know you were part of that dishonorable cabal that stoked fear, uncertainty and fatalism on this pilot group from your position of power at DALPA. One of the things you did was fight tooth and nail to remove any comparison of UPS and FDX (because they're not even in the same business), and our foreign JV competitors (because that information is secret). Nobody buys it. We all know what you did and why you did it.
UPS may not have hired for a long time, but we've done almost none ourselves for a very long time. UPS might have management pilots, but we've got a ton of DGS guys and FO's training captains. We have all the same problems as UPS...they just make a LOT more than we do. A LOT more.
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05-12-2013 | 04:00 PM
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Sounds logical but when half of our list is over the age of 55, how do you convince them to be radical/ get back to basics and risk everything they have for a payout they may not be around for? They are in to the " US Treasury Bonds" portion of their career, not the penny stock high risk you propose. It would be nice, but everyone needs to remember that for C2K the average age on the list was below 47, and that makes a huge difference in what one is willing to risk.
The numbers are not in your favor.
The numbers are not in your favor.
We as a pilot group seem to be paralyzed by a fear of the unknown and those wedded to the status quo who play to those fears.
The best thing you can do is the right thing; the next best thing you can do is the wrong thing; the worst thing you can do is nothing. - Theodore Roosevelt
05-12-2013 | 04:14 PM
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