Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? >

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?


Notices

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Old 05-23-2013 | 07:14 PM
  #130801  
forgot to bid's Avatar
veut gagner à la loterie
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 23,286
Likes: 0
From: Light Chop
Default

You know I think we covered this already but just in case we didn't:

May 22 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines:
U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines will continue to sit out a wave of orders for the latest fuel-saving narrowbody models produced by Airbus and Boeing as it waits for newly developed engines to prove themselves in service, Chief Executive Richard Anderson said on Wednesday.

The two manufacturers have stacked up orders for more than 3,000 of the revamped models, the Boeing 737 MAX and the Airbus A320neo, which boast fuel savings of around 15 percent from the second half of the decade.

"We'd rather get toward the end of a production line because one, the airplane has probably been stretched, and stretched economics are always better than the original economics," Anderson told Reuters reporters and editors at Reuters New York headquarters.

Old 05-23-2013 | 07:25 PM
  #130802  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
From: Just happy to be here Boss!
Default

Originally Posted by Going2Baja
New - Used - Acquisition - Merger - Growth? How about some Deets w/ your intel.

Baja.
According to a senior network manager they are new 332 and 321s. WBs are 100% growth for SEA and LAX to Asia. 321s are roughly 50/50 growth and replacement. Caveat...he did not say the deal was done, just very close to done (this was a few days back so may be inked by now).
He also stated mainline will grow by nearly 130 jets by the end of 2017 based on current plans. That is net gain after subtracting planned retirements.
Old 05-23-2013 | 07:39 PM
  #130803  
Justdoinmyjob's Avatar
Looking for a laugh
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,099
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by gloopy
But will we? They are betting we continue to gift them BOS marketshare without question, not to mention our biggest hub out of quarterly margin myopia.

They're about to kick some serious sand in our faces. Your move RA.
Based on RA's aggressive stance towards Airtran, which put them in a desperate position and allowed their takeover, I would expect a similar response towards JBU.
Old 05-23-2013 | 07:40 PM
  #130804  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 403
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by gloopy
It is JB, but not out of NY. At least, not initially. They will use their DL/AA/US provided sanctuary of BOS at the test bed, and pad it with every flag of convienience carrier that flies there as well. They will jump on ATL (again) and either CVG or MSP initially. Probably CVG since the airport CEO there still thinks there is the "Southwest Effect" of the 90's. CVG will likely be heavilly subsidized. Not sure about ATL although I'd be shocked if it wasn't to some degree. They are also about to get really bold into SA/LA.

They think their current trend against a BK AA will continue and they think DL's trend to panic run away from capacity to preserve yields at all costs serves up DL markets to them on a silver platter that they can pick from at their leisure. I think they are in for a world of hurt against AA in a year or two tops, once they get their act together. DL's reaction is less than certain. Either way I think its a fantastic thing!

First of all, its inevitable. Our path towards 99.9999999% load factor for all eternity, managing yields by endless consolidation and shrinkage is just begging for predatory competition. Its going to happen either way, and DL has proven it can hammer JB hard when it wants to. All this could end up being a mute (moo?) point anyway since they are very likely going to be a participant in future consolidation, but in the meantime it will force DL's hand. Investors have finally started to question DL's capacity cannibalization as an endless strategy. If a very vulnerable "LCC" can poach DL capacity at will like JB thinks they can, investors will start to see that the emperor has less and less clothes on by the day. If DL can't/won't fight back and win this coming assault, DL won't be and won't deserve to be anything near "investment grade" at least not for long.

This will force our hand and that's a great thing. Our current trajectory has to change, and this is the perfect catalyst to test if now is the time its starting to.
Sounds like we need to codeshare with JetBlue. You know, use them in the east like we use Alaska in the west to "feed our international hub." Err, I mean, not hub, because then they couldn't fly to SLC and ATL. No, I mean big city that we fly a lot of people through. Well, not actually "fly" them through...maybe more like sell them a ticket that puts them through the big city on some airliner. Or two. That probably don't say Delta on the side. Or if they do say Delta, there is probably a microscopic Connection near it somewhere. Ahh, too confusing. I'll be senior some day and won't have to worry about it.
Old 05-23-2013 | 09:01 PM
  #130805  
Going2Baja's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 729
Likes: 0
From: Driving to work & Looking Left @ the Surf!!
Default

Originally Posted by ITSALLGOOD
According to a senior network manager they are new 332 and 321s. WBs are 100% growth for SEA and LAX to Asia. 321s are roughly 50/50 growth and replacement. Caveat...he did not say the deal was done, just very close to done (this was a few days back so may be inked by now).
He also stated mainline will grow by nearly 130 jets by the end of 2017 based on current plans. That is net gain after subtracting planned retirements.
Sounds like good news...if this is your contact please keep us informed.

Thanks - Baja.
Old 05-23-2013 | 09:09 PM
  #130806  
80ktsClamp's Avatar
Da Hudge
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,473
Likes: 0
From: Poodle Whisperer
Default

I heard very similar last week... no specifics on type of 330, but the numbers jive.

Bring on the poodles!
Old 05-23-2013 | 09:52 PM
  #130807  
georgetg's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
From: Boeing Hearing and Ergonomics Lab Rat, Night Shift
Default



Good Night T3, the last flight pushed and departed for TLV...


Cheers
George
Old 05-23-2013 | 09:58 PM
  #130808  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
From: 88B
Default

And right on time...

JetBlue to challenge US Airways on busy Philly-Boston route

JetBlue Airways begins five daily nonstop flights between Boston and Philadelphia on Thursday, May 23, 2013. (File


Read more at JetBlue to challenge US Airways on busy Philly-Boston route

Last edited by Retire4X; 05-23-2013 at 10:00 PM. Reason: Delete lousy attempt to include the picture...
Old 05-23-2013 | 10:02 PM
  #130809  
80ktsClamp's Avatar
Da Hudge
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,473
Likes: 0
From: Poodle Whisperer
Default

Originally Posted by georgetg


Good Night T3, the last flight pushed and departed for TLV...


Cheers
George
I have to say that I'm really glad the last flight was a 747 for a classic terminal that sent out so many beautiful 747s for so many years.
Old 05-23-2013 | 10:10 PM
  #130810  
80ktsClamp's Avatar
Da Hudge
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,473
Likes: 0
From: Poodle Whisperer
Default

Originally Posted by forgot to bid
You know I think we covered this already but just in case we didn't:

May 22 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines:
U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines will continue to sit out a wave of orders for the latest fuel-saving narrowbody models produced by Airbus and Boeing as it waits for newly developed engines to prove themselves in service, Chief Executive Richard Anderson said on Wednesday.

The two manufacturers have stacked up orders for more than 3,000 of the revamped models, the Boeing 737 MAX and the Airbus A320neo, which boast fuel savings of around 15 percent from the second half of the decade.

"We'd rather get toward the end of a production line because one, the airplane has probably been stretched, and stretched economics are always better than the original economics," Anderson told Reuters reporters and editors at Reuters New York headquarters.

Anderson has stated this for years, and it is a proven smart strategy. Look at the troubles the 787 has caused UA by biting the bullet and taking the 787 early. Years delayed, and then a 2+ month grounding after it finally entered service. Not to mention the major capex costs of a plane like that.

I don't blame him one bit. We have gotten 3 MD-90s for the price of 1 new 738. (reason 48 why the narrowbodies should pay the same, but I digest)

FWIW, the new 321s have much higher thrust motors than the 739 and a much higher takeoff weight.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
On Autopilot
Regional
22617
11-05-2021 07:03 AM
AeroCrewSolut
Delta
153
08-14-2018 12:18 PM
Bill Lumberg
Major
71
06-13-2012 08:36 AM
Quagmire
Major
253
04-16-2011 06:19 AM
JiffyLube
Major
12
03-07-2008 04:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices