Why don't you tell us what you think the fleet plan will be. The orders are well known as well as the RFP's. tell us what you think the retirements will be over the next 4 years.

In 4 years, IMO, there will be less planes and less pilots, regardless of what some say is "going to happen".

05-27-2013 | 06:58 PM

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In 4 years, IMO, there will be less planes and less pilots, regardless of what some say is "going to happen".

Less planes and less pilots in all of the Delta system including DCI, yes.

Mainline, thankfully, is increasing both. (at the expense of DCI)

05-27-2013 | 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Less planes and less pilots in all of the Delta system including DCI, yes.

Mainline, thankfully, is increasing both. (at the expense of DCI)

regardless of DCI's current short term plight

05-27-2013 | 08:03 PM

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Less planes and less pilots in all of the Delta system including DCI, yes.

Mainline, thankfully, is increasing both. (at the expense of DCI)

Is it really at their expense, or is it just the invertible correction after management went bonkers with RJs for years?

In other words - if their growth was at our expense, and now we are recapturing flying that used to be at mainline, is it at their expense?

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05-27-2013 | 08:09 PM

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True. That's a major reason I voted no on C2012 as well- we were giving things up for something that was going to happen anyway. Mgmt has recently stated they only plan on having 100 CRJ-200s in the system, which is even less than both required and previously projected.

05-27-2013 | 08:40 PM

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All you can do is read the companies fleet plan. The wide bodies are planned for additional flying in the pacific. The possible narrow body purchase ïs in addition to the 100 737's planned as replacement aircraft. They are not planning to increase retirements at the mainline. They are however now planning a additional 25 50 seaters coming out of the fleet as those narrow bodies come online. The fifty seat fleet will stabilize at 100 airframes instead of 125.

Wait....you mean they are going to park an additional 25 50 seaters without us giving up more large rjs?

05-27-2013 | 09:11 PM

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And apparently going bonkers with 50 seaters was pretty smart after all....with our help they are using them as negotiating capital to ramp up outsourcing 2.0 with DC9 sized RJ's. Our union don't wanna fly dem small frys anyways....besides they feed our hubs which leads to huge mainline growth

05-27-2013 | 09:16 PM

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Which is further proof of just how much of a drag on the bottom line those 50 seaters really are. They are parking planes they don't even have to park. That should tell you something about their economics and the real long term plan they had for them all along. Gotta give them credit though....they traded a bunch of beat up old Ford Pintos that needed engine overhauls...that were headed for the junkyard for some shiny new ones under C2012. Pretty smart guys they are....the negotiators on the other side...not so much.

05-27-2013 | 09:18 PM

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Wait....you mean they are going to park an additional 25 50 seaters without us giving up more large rjs?

The next problem we'll be asked or offer to solve is the massive hiring and training issues looming that will be solved by pay banding. IMO we are not addressing hiring now as a set up for that (or merger related staffing increases) That will permanently take chunk out of the additional bodies needed to staff those extra aircraft and retirements

You'll be seeing a whole lot more FO retirement pictures.

05-28-2013 | 02:19 AM

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In 4 years, IMO, there will be less planes and less pilots, regardless of what some say is "going to happen".

If there is another economic disaster you might be right. However if what you say is true then it will mean that Delta is in deep economic trouble and perhaps on the verge of a shutdown. That kind of reduction in total system block hours would equal the cuts of the last 12 years and then some for the mainline to see a reduction. If you honestly believe that then you should be hard at work on a plan B.