Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-03-2013 | 08:11 AM
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,257
Likes: 5
Regarding the Sick Verification in our PWA: does section 14 F. 4. ("Good faith basis") basically mean anytime the chief pilot wants to send a pilot who calls in sick to the doc to get a note he can? Even if said pilot hasn't called in sick in his career? Was this in our last PWA? It seems to me someone who was negotiating for us should have narrowed down, or defined "When individual circumstances exist..."
"4. If you have not visited a doctor or other healthcare provider for your illness, provide some other proof of illness to the Company by fax or email as described above. This could, for example, include a general description of your sickness, along with a prescription for medication used to treat your described sickness. If you have any questions, contact ALPA Contract Administration. "
What other forms of proof would be allowed? Could we include pictures?
07-03-2013 | 08:37 AM
meh
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 828
Likes: 0
Sick verification-- I think you're right. I know someone who already has gotten a call from the CPO. He used sick once now since the contract change, didn't verify it, and got a call from the CPO checking on it's "good faithness".
On the other hand the CPO took his "yes/no" answers and said "ok, verified". Yes, the system "worked" because the cpo was a decent guy...Still, it's the threat of them calling whenever they feel they have a reason to check. Which they obviously felt was ok on the first sick use of the year with no regard to the 100 hrs of unverified available.
I absolutely knew that all the naive glass half-full wait-and-see folks were wrong on this sick leave aspect of the contract, and that their expectations that the vagueness in the contract would NOT be used to the fullest against us by the company was wishful thinking. Now I feel I've been proven right within days of the new sick leave going into effect.
And yes, I did tell my buddy to report it to ALPA for their data collection per their note they sent out.
On the other hand the CPO took his "yes/no" answers and said "ok, verified". Yes, the system "worked" because the cpo was a decent guy...Still, it's the threat of them calling whenever they feel they have a reason to check. Which they obviously felt was ok on the first sick use of the year with no regard to the 100 hrs of unverified available.
I absolutely knew that all the naive glass half-full wait-and-see folks were wrong on this sick leave aspect of the contract, and that their expectations that the vagueness in the contract would NOT be used to the fullest against us by the company was wishful thinking. Now I feel I've been proven right within days of the new sick leave going into effect.
And yes, I did tell my buddy to report it to ALPA for their data collection per their note they sent out.
07-03-2013 | 08:55 AM
meh
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 828
Likes: 0
backdoor bidpacks available now.
07-03-2013 | 09:03 AM
meh
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 828
Likes: 0
Dear CPSC,
per the contract I am providing the attached documentation as verification of illness. I have not seen a doctor recently for this previously diagnosed chronic condition, nor is a visit for recurrence of my condition allowed under my healthcare. Neither have I a prescription to show, as my condition is treated with OTC medicines.
Therefore, please find attached a date-time-stamped closeup photograph of my flaming hemorrhoids and another of my rampant jock-itch which together combine to disallow me to sit for over 30 minutes. The white powder is Gold-Bond, highly recommended BTW.
Best regards,
"FTB"
per the contract I am providing the attached documentation as verification of illness. I have not seen a doctor recently for this previously diagnosed chronic condition, nor is a visit for recurrence of my condition allowed under my healthcare. Neither have I a prescription to show, as my condition is treated with OTC medicines.
Therefore, please find attached a date-time-stamped closeup photograph of my flaming hemorrhoids and another of my rampant jock-itch which together combine to disallow me to sit for over 30 minutes. The white powder is Gold-Bond, highly recommended BTW.
Best regards,
"FTB"
07-03-2013 | 09:16 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 12,831
Likes: 172
From: window seat
You can if you are willing to resurrect the Red/Green wars of NWA. Also, don't forget that any newhires after such a decision would be considered Delta hires and thus outside the fence. At some point they would begin jumping the Alaska guys into the widebodies, depending on how things were structured. There were repeated arbitrations up North as the fleet mixes changed. It was a mess.
The Roberts Rule created a great deal of animosity at NWA. I suggest we avoid a repeat.
The Roberts Rule created a great deal of animosity at NWA. I suggest we avoid a repeat.
07-03-2013 | 09:57 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,971
Likes: 0
From: Kickin’ Back
Sick verification-- I think you're right. I know someone who already has gotten a call from the CPO. He used sick once now since the contract change, didn't verify it, and got a call from the CPO checking on it's "good faithness".
That sounds pretty fishy. (On the company's part) The way I read the contract, if you don't "verify" your sick leave, the company has to have a "good faith basis" to inquire about the sick leave and it cannot be based on usage. I'd be calling the Union on this one.
On the other hand the CPO took his "yes/no" answers and said "ok, verified". Yes, the system "worked" because the cpo was a decent guy...Still, it's the threat of them calling whenever they feel they have a reason to check. Which they obviously felt was ok on the first sick use of the year with no regard to the 100 hrs of unverified available.
Again, the way I read the contract, if you "verify" a usage of sick leave the company can ask for a doctors note. If you don't verify (using your 100 hrs), they need to have a "good faith basis" to inquire. That good faith basis cannot be based on usage.
I absolutely knew that all the naive glass half-full wait-and-see folks were wrong on this sick leave aspect of the contract, and that their expectations that the vagueness in the contract would NOT be used to the fullest against us by the company was wishful thinking. Now I feel I've been proven right within days of the new sick leave going into effect.
In past contracts the company could always request a verification of sick leave usage if they wanted too. That has not changed. I suspect that, eventually, a grievance will be filed to fine tune what a "good faith basis" is. It sure doesn't sound like the company had that in your buddy's case.
And yes, I did tell my buddy to report it to ALPA for their data collection per their note they sent out.
I hope he did!
That sounds pretty fishy. (On the company's part) The way I read the contract, if you don't "verify" your sick leave, the company has to have a "good faith basis" to inquire about the sick leave and it cannot be based on usage. I'd be calling the Union on this one.
On the other hand the CPO took his "yes/no" answers and said "ok, verified". Yes, the system "worked" because the cpo was a decent guy...Still, it's the threat of them calling whenever they feel they have a reason to check. Which they obviously felt was ok on the first sick use of the year with no regard to the 100 hrs of unverified available.
Again, the way I read the contract, if you "verify" a usage of sick leave the company can ask for a doctors note. If you don't verify (using your 100 hrs), they need to have a "good faith basis" to inquire. That good faith basis cannot be based on usage.
I absolutely knew that all the naive glass half-full wait-and-see folks were wrong on this sick leave aspect of the contract, and that their expectations that the vagueness in the contract would NOT be used to the fullest against us by the company was wishful thinking. Now I feel I've been proven right within days of the new sick leave going into effect.
In past contracts the company could always request a verification of sick leave usage if they wanted too. That has not changed. I suspect that, eventually, a grievance will be filed to fine tune what a "good faith basis" is. It sure doesn't sound like the company had that in your buddy's case.
And yes, I did tell my buddy to report it to ALPA for their data collection per their note they sent out.
I hope he did!
Denny
07-03-2013 | 10:13 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 922
Likes: 0
From: Decoupled
Dear CPSC,
per the contract I am providing the attached documentation as verification of illness. I have not seen a doctor recently for this previously diagnosed chronic condition, nor is a visit for recurrence of my condition allowed under my healthcare. Neither have I a prescription to show, as my condition is treated with OTC medicines.
Therefore, please find attached a date-time-stamped closeup photograph of my flaming hemorrhoids and another of my rampant jock-itch which together combine to disallow me to sit for over 30 minutes. The white powder is Gold-Bond, highly recommended BTW.
Best regards,
"FTB"
per the contract I am providing the attached documentation as verification of illness. I have not seen a doctor recently for this previously diagnosed chronic condition, nor is a visit for recurrence of my condition allowed under my healthcare. Neither have I a prescription to show, as my condition is treated with OTC medicines.
Therefore, please find attached a date-time-stamped closeup photograph of my flaming hemorrhoids and another of my rampant jock-itch which together combine to disallow me to sit for over 30 minutes. The white powder is Gold-Bond, highly recommended BTW.
Best regards,
"FTB"
I cannot fart with confidence.
Very truly yours,
Orvil
07-03-2013 | 10:42 AM
meh
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 828
Likes: 0
LOL..
Thanks for the input Denny.
Ok here's another question: for CQ training, I have B period starting 0921 on the last day... what is a reasonable time I can catch a flight home? The pattern says 1519 end on that day, but I seem to recall ending much earlier in the past?
Thx anyone!
For those who feel the board has had a negative slant lately, and who might feel I did a bit of doom and gloom already today, well, you might be right
Here's a balancing input to bring some sunshine and light. It should be noted that:
1. Aug bidpacks are out, and what you're really reading from me are short breaks from studying the redeyes I might be able to get in Aug So I was a bit gloomy. STS.
2. It's Jul 3rd, and I'm at home with the family getting ready to grill, and will be doing the same on the 4th! AND the whole family is healthy, so total win for me. Done, I really have nothing valid to complain about in the big scheme of things
3. My pool is 93 degrees.
4. I'm watching 6 guys finishing a paver job I started outside. OMG is that some hard work in 119 degree heat!! And each time I look out there at those guys shoveling and carrying, I think this:
What a friggin' GREAT job I have!
Counting my blessings this holiday, hope the rest of you have a good one too!
Thanks for the input Denny.
Ok here's another question: for CQ training, I have B period starting 0921 on the last day... what is a reasonable time I can catch a flight home? The pattern says 1519 end on that day, but I seem to recall ending much earlier in the past?
Thx anyone!
For those who feel the board has had a negative slant lately, and who might feel I did a bit of doom and gloom already today, well, you might be right
Here's a balancing input to bring some sunshine and light. It should be noted that:1. Aug bidpacks are out, and what you're really reading from me are short breaks from studying the redeyes I might be able to get in Aug
So I was a bit gloomy. STS.2. It's Jul 3rd, and I'm at home with the family getting ready to grill, and will be doing the same on the 4th! AND the whole family is healthy, so total win for me. Done, I really have nothing valid to complain about in the big scheme of things
3. My pool is 93 degrees.
4. I'm watching 6 guys finishing a paver job I started outside. OMG is that some hard work in 119 degree heat!! And each time I look out there at those guys shoveling and carrying, I think this:
What a friggin' GREAT job I have!
Counting my blessings this holiday, hope the rest of you have a good one too!
07-03-2013 | 11:01 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 23,286
Likes: 0
From: Light Chop
Hey one of the reasons I was given why the green slip system trumped the 1.5x pay above 80 or whatever it was at NWA was because GS pay was more equally shared.
okay, since that doesn't work outside of the A320 categories how about changing the number of allowed GSs before the next guy gets his chance to a calendar year instead of a bid period?
okay, since that doesn't work outside of the A320 categories how about changing the number of allowed GSs before the next guy gets his chance to a calendar year instead of a bid period?
07-03-2013 | 11:05 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,971
Likes: 0
From: Kickin’ Back
LOL..
Thanks for the input Denny.
Ok here's another question: for CQ training, I have B period starting 0921 on the last day... what is a reasonable time I can catch a flight home? The pattern says 1519 end on that day, but I seem to recall ending much earlier in the past?
Thx anyone!
The sim schedules for a B period say Report 0920, fly 1050 to 1450, 30 minute debrief, out at 1520.
For those who feel the board has had a negative slant lately, and who might feel I did a bit of doom and gloom already today, well, you might be right Here's a balancing input to bring some sunshine and light. It should be noted that:
1. Aug bidpacks are out, and what you're really reading from me are short breaks from studying the redeyes I might be able to get in Aug So I was a bit gloomy. STS.
2. It's Jul 3rd, and I'm at home with the family getting ready to grill, and will be doing the same on the 4th! AND the whole family is healthy, so total win for me. Done, I really have nothing valid to complain about in the big scheme of things
3. My pool is 93 degrees.
4. I'm watching 6 guys finishing a paver job I started outside. OMG is that some hard work in 119 degree heat!! And each time I look out there at those guys shoveling and carrying, I think this:
What a friggin' GREAT job I have!
Counting my blessings this holiday, hope the rest of you have a good one too!
Thanks for the input Denny.
Ok here's another question: for CQ training, I have B period starting 0921 on the last day... what is a reasonable time I can catch a flight home? The pattern says 1519 end on that day, but I seem to recall ending much earlier in the past?
Thx anyone!
The sim schedules for a B period say Report 0920, fly 1050 to 1450, 30 minute debrief, out at 1520.
For those who feel the board has had a negative slant lately, and who might feel I did a bit of doom and gloom already today, well, you might be right Here's a balancing input to bring some sunshine and light. It should be noted that:
1. Aug bidpacks are out, and what you're really reading from me are short breaks from studying the redeyes I might be able to get in Aug
So I was a bit gloomy. STS.2. It's Jul 3rd, and I'm at home with the family getting ready to grill, and will be doing the same on the 4th! AND the whole family is healthy, so total win for me. Done, I really have nothing valid to complain about in the big scheme of things
3. My pool is 93 degrees.
4. I'm watching 6 guys finishing a paver job I started outside. OMG is that some hard work in 119 degree heat!! And each time I look out there at those guys shoveling and carrying, I think this:
What a friggin' GREAT job I have!
Counting my blessings this holiday, hope the rest of you have a good one too!
I glad to hear things are going good! Yes we do! And you have great holiday too!
Denny
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
