Clearly a couple of the ALPA guys (operating under multiple user names) are getting nervous DPA is picking up steam.

Good point. Good post. How people don't get what you're saying after what alfa said is beyond me.

In real world discussion Usapa was on a different mission and had a different definition of what a win is. just like some define winning as a win for the pilots and others define winning as whatever is good for ALPAs, dALPAs and LMs reputation, not always the same thing or same game.

its not a cheap shot. it was making a tactful counter point. Alfa said compare then to us and 80 pointed out apples to oranges in that regard. not a cheap shot.

if anyone gets upset over cheap shots they won't last here. Alfa has taken a lot of shots and he's still here and he's given a lot of cheap shots and I'm still here.

Is underboob not allowed anymore?
Some excellent posts are now gone.

:(

Amazing how the ALPA propogandists magically appeared at the same time.
Did Moak demand their presence here?
Or are they all the same guy?

nevermind.......

If you listen closely, you can almost hear it can't you? The conference call by the members of My ALPA Right or Wrong? "Hey, this 80ktsClamp dude didn't accept our attempt at making ALPA look good by comparing USAPA to ALPA. Yeah, I read that too. Are we gonna just sit back and take that kind of insolent behavior? NO!!! OK then, let's give him the ALPA treatment. ALPA treatment...what's the ALPA treatment? Find something he didn't say and pound him over the head with it. You mean like you guys did to me before I accepted anything Moak says? Exactly! Show him that if he ever wants to eat lunch again with us cool kids, he better keep his mouth shut. Roger that!!"

The thing about the ALPA treatment is that it can be contagious. I found it appalling what Falcon7 said below:

Outrageous! With all the gun violence our society has endured lately, this guy has the gall to glorify gun violence and shooting people!

Outrageous!!




Carl

And you were right there begging the APA to take the last best offer that AMR management made in bankruptcy. You said they'd be fools and would probably all lose their jobs if they didn't accept it and look forward to the future. They didn't listen to you and ALPA. They turned the offer down and decided to continue flying the airplanes the way they'd been flying them. What happened? They got a better offer the second time, and they accepted it. Same with the pilots of Hawaiian. Something you'd know nothing about in your world of surrender first and ask questions later.

They did make a mistake by misunderstanding how much they could fight for in the new environment of NMB activism...no doubt about that. But they ended well by not cowering the way you and ALPA were advocating they do. It's really shameful for you to insult brother pilots in our industry for no other reason other than they won't join your beloved organization.

Carl

Clamp has already correctly opined on this. USAPA never planned on being a union IMO. They only planned on doing away with the Nicolau award. Nothing else. But it's so amazing that you're down to making ALPA look good by comparing them to a non-union like USAPA. Has it really gotten that bad alfa?

Anxiously awaiting the "ALPA treatment" for saying how much I love USAPA. :rolleyes:

Carl

Problem is that DPA started years before you signed that deal last year. And never once has DPA ever said "I'll give you everything you want." Another example of the "ALPA treatment." I hope you continue with the "ALPA treatment" though alfa because it has always been my contention that every day you guys wake up with the simple goal of misinforming. The "ALPA treatment" just backs up that thesis. With regard to work ethic, a small handful of guys have managed to get 5,400 cards from Delta pilots to decertify your beloved ALPA. The message was not as much seductive as it was factual. Simply showing ALPA's record and asking: "Do you want to continue with this...yes or no?"

I know you're not liking the answer alfa because they'll be no more all you can eat dinners with open bars. And your chances of a $35,000 oil painting of you are vanishing right before your eyes. I know it's painful, but change is in the wind.

Carl