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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1441031)
The NTSB just said that that the the throttles were at idle and they were slow, though.
I wonder if the flying pilot was "out of it" in some way? :confused: I can see now where people on board got the idea that the plane cartwheeled... looked like they almost flipped over and spun around about 300 degrees. It's amazing seeing the aft pressure bulkhead peeled like an orange. I bet we're going to see even more of a push for "being a pilot" after this one...not a bad thing. |
As far as ALV+15, I would have last month had I not have gotten GS's earlier in the month. 7 short calls- not yet only because it hasn't been implemented (tied to FT/DT rules), and besides I'm flying every day on call. That will come this fall. I can't wait! All these plus the realignment of the summer month bid period lengths were pretty major concessions. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 1441055)
A good move on your part, which got you the pay for the trip above the reserve guarantee AND you got your x-days paid back. This is due to the contract that DALPA negotiated.
It will come only when the new FT/DT rules are in effect and it will only apply in months where the ALV is between 77-84 hours. (Max 14 hour duty day--not a big deal for domestic guys but an improvement for guys in international categories who can currently sit SC for up to 24 hours then get legally called for a short-notice ocean crossing) I agree that these were concessionary and really not necessary. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1441042)
You mean, "came down to industry standard...?"
- ALV + 15? unsat How many reserves so far have flown to that? - 7 short calls (after we just negotiated from 8 to 6)? YGBKM How many are sitting 7 SCs. I haven't been on reserve for a few months, so I honestly don't know. - Yes, reserve guarantee pay increased...but at what cost? A massive majority of my DAL buds would much rather fly much less and make a little less...not be beaten like rented mules when on reserve (and NOT by choice). Of course, most of them also voted for POS12...oops. Wouldn't we all like to work less and make more? Of course I am sure the doughnut holes would deliver something much much better just because they would demand it, right? - Let's not forget the massive concession of tinkering with the summer bid period length--not a reserve issue per se...but a huge kick in the jimmy for us. Please educate me how that has been a kick in the jimmy other than having to remember that it doesn't begin and end on the same date as the month... I certainly don't see it as any kind of concession I think this is a bigger productivity concession than ALV + 15. We went from having to cover 31 days to 30 days in our most limiting months. This is a instant 3% gain in productivity. Lets say 10,000 pilots flying the line - this is like an extra 300 Pilots for the company. Now - we made improvements in other areas of the contract that also have to be taken into account, but in my mind the 30 day summer months was the biggest single productivity increase. As proof just look at what the company is saying about next year - March may now be the most limiting month as far as Pilots are concerned. No longer are July and August limiting. I know guys are worried about ALV + 15, but I see that more as an individual pilot issue (guys flying a ton) than a huge productivity giveback. It is also important and yes it will have a negative productivity affect but in my opinion much smaller than the 30 day summer months. Anyway we will know sure enough when we have some hard historical data to analyze - right now its mostly speculation and opinion. The above is just my opinion. Scoop |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1441052)
I bet we're going to see even more of a push for "being a pilot" after this one...not a bad thing. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1441069)
Sounds good...as long as the company's willing to provide the training to get us up to snuff after years of pushing full automation.
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1440800)
Sure it was a harsh assessment, but it needs to be harsh. The APA conducted a clown show for 6+ years and only changed when their contract was rejected, they were hours away from a federal injunction that could have bankrupted the union, and their bankruptcy claim was flying out the window for good. How much closer to disaster did they have to come to change their path?
US Airways and USAPA have conducted their clown show for 7+ years now and their only hope of redemption is latching on to the APA that in turn latched onto the Delta/United contracts. They have failed in every objective they set and they have not delivered a penny of benefits to their pilots. Following a deal like we signed last year, you always have the charlatans come crawling out from under their rocks proclaiming "Vote for me, I will give you everything you want." They have no plan, they have no work ethic, they only know how to craft a simple seductive message that all your dreams will be fulfilled if you simply follow their siren song. The DPA lawyer is a master at this type of propaganda and deception. He ruined the mechanics union at Northwest and got kicked out of there. He led the Flight Attendants union at Northwest to near ruin and got kicked out of there. He led the US Airways pilots on a wild goose chase and took $10 million from them and finally got kicked out of there. Compare his list of former clients to current clients and you will see a guy that has basically been fired from just about every labor job he had. He got rich and they just got poorer and poorer. Now he has found a new set of chumps in the DPA that believe his crap because they want to believe his crap. Who wouldn't want to hear that all your troubles will simply disappear with a simple fix? That's is why you see all those ads for miracle diet pills on TV. Some people don't want to work out more and eat less, they would rather just take a pill and have their troubles disappear. So if I make a harsh assessment then it's because my time in this profession has a limited life span. The time that should have been the heart of my career was spent in the bankruptcy era. Poor me. But rather than feel sorry for myself I actually tried to work to help pull the pilots out of this pit and back closer to where we need to be. Unlike the Carl's of this world who lack the courage to actually take real responsibility for anything I had to deliver the hard message that there are no easy solutions there is only work and work and more work and that improvements are cumulative and not immediate. That got us 50+% above bankruptcy rates within years of exiting. So yes I make a harsh assessment. If I have to suffer through the APA/USAPA clown show for years and years I will sacrifice hundreds of thousands of dollars that I will never recover. So will thousands of other Delta pilots. If I want to take that seductive easy message and kick it in the teeth it's only because I have seen the serial failures and urge people to resist the siren song and continue to follow the path that has led to success. You say I am on a high horse and I say prove my assessment wrong. Show me how the APA/USAPA clown show is leading the industry out the bankruptcy era and I will agree with you and change my stance. So far I have seen nothing but BS and bluster from the DPA crowd and their charlatan lawyer. Their ideas need to be countered. I really don't feel like sitting around for the next 6 to 8 years watching my dues money pay for the DPA lawyers boat while I wallow in the muck. That is their record and it should be exposed for what it is. Hucksterism. GJ |
Originally Posted by finis72
(Post 1440895)
USAPA is quite an example to tout, talk about abuse of the minority, the AWA pilots are well represented by those clowns. I think if you polled any number of pilots they would say USAPA is a failure in all areas but one but go ahead and twist things to your view 80.
^^THIS!^^ USAPA was nothing other than a group of grown men/women, lacking integrity, "taking their toys and going home" after an awarded Seniority List, that both parties had agreed too. (Something about "binding" arbitration that the East pilots never quite understood?):rolleyes: GJ |
Originally Posted by Gearjerk
(Post 1441076)
USAPA was nothing other than a group of grown men/women, lacking integrity, GJ |
Originally Posted by Gearjerk
(Post 1441076)
^^THIS!^^
USAPA was nothing other than a group of grown men/women, lacking integrity, "taking their toys and going home" after an awarded Seniority List, that both parties had agreed too. (Something about "binding" arbitration that the East pilots never quite understood?):rolleyes: GJ I have no respect for them, but alfa using them as failure in his post over and over again is a logical fallacy. Their goal was never an industry leading contract or even a contract at all- only to get around an SLI. |
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