He keeps bringing up USAPA and how they failed. They have been 100% successful in what they were set out to do: keep nicolau from being implemented at all costs.

So, at least half of his point is wrong. He (just like what he accuses others of doing) does a great job of presenting "facts" that need quite a few asterisks next to them.

If you think it's been a success story over at USAPA, then you are free to make that argument, but it makes you look silly.

Doesn't USAPA have DOH in the by-laws? If so, have they been successful implementing that?

Do I think they are a bunch of fools? Yes. They have given up hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to fulfill their number 1 goal in preventing Nicolau from being implemented up to this point. How does understanding that make me look silly? Do explain.

They have that an SLI shall be DOH in their by-laws, but there has been no re-do attempted.

REALLY? YOU'RE GIVING PROPS TO USAPA? WTEFFFFF!!!!

Yep...How well have they represented almost 40% of the list? What a noble group, those USAPA leaders. I see their path as something we should all emulate.:rolleyes:

I'm guessing the USAPA stated purpose doesn't have anything regarding increasing pay or improving working conditions, retirement, benefits or job security since they have accomplished NOTHING in that regard!

I know you need to blindly support ALPA for some deep emotional need, but that wasn't what I said. Where was I giving them props? Read my follow up post for better context.

I don't love ALPA. I really don't even like ALPA, but holy carp - praising USAPA????? It makes me throw up... a VERP event followed by nausea.

USAPA is quite an example to tout, talk about abuse of the minority, the AWA pilots are well represented by those clowns. I think if you polled any number of pilots they would say USAPA is a failure in all areas but one but go ahead and twist things to your view 80.

I think he was just trying to take a cheap shot at alfa, by trying to make the case that somehow USAPA has been successful. Whether you like alfa, ALPA or DALPA, making that argument, just makes him look silly.

They stated in court that the Nicolau was only a bargaining position and they have stated in their by-laws that the seniority list must be DOH, they've failed to achieve a JCBA and failed to implement that which is in their own by-laws. Alfa is right, USAPA is a clown show and your defense of USAPA is amazing to me, but to each his own I suppose.

Agreed. Good post Alfa.

80, I see what you're trying to say, but USAPA has got to be the last group we should be emulating. The fact that you'll take that one potshot in an attempt to discredit Alfa's entire point makes me question your motives.

If USAPA hadn't been SOOOO unproductive we might be have been able to get a little more $ out of C2012. Every single graph had their payrates way down at the bottom. I remember something like our 320 CA's will now make more than their 320 CA + FO combined! They are a boat anchor that has been weighing down the collective bargaining cycle due to their inability to execute or see beyond their SLI shafting. The AMR merger will hopefully be a good thing from the standpoint that it finally gets them moving again...

Tell us 80 again how Alfa's post was flawed?? :confused: