Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1441425)

Man it just keeps getting worse. No runway change and a 17 mile final. How do you dork that up?

Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1441429)

..........Boredom?

Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1441424)

So the NTSB is saying that the lowest speed (3 seconds prior to impact) was 103 knots. What would a 777 EFIS screen speed tape look like in that instance? (ie, 34 knots below Vref). Is it yellow? Red? Flashing red?

That's a lot of knots to be slow.

If I remember, years ago a major US carrier was going to codeshare with a Korean carrier (maybe Korean Air?) and their pilots did some sort of "line checks" to see what kind of operation it was. I remember reading the report, a lot of "not speaking up" and stuff along those lines. Anyone else remember that report?

Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1441424)

If I remember, years ago a major US carrier was going to codeshare with a Korean carrier (maybe Korean Air?) and their pilots did some sort of "line checks" to see what kind of operation it was. I remember reading the report, a lot of "not speaking up" and stuff along those lines. Anyone else remember that report?

Originally Posted by bohicagain (Post 1441374)

About 7 years ago I was on the jumpseat on Delta 75 going to Miami.
Nice night and the FO turned everything off and cleared the FD. The CA asked what he was doing and the FO replied getting some practice raw data approach. The CA "absolutely not" and told the FO to turn the FD and throttles on and wait until inside 1000 feet to turn of the autopilot. I was surprised on the CA actions but it is his plane.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1441456)

There were some "audits".
At one point Delta threatened to stop the codeshare over safety issues.
Korean Air then hired Dave Greenberg to fix their cockpit cultural problems.

Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1441331)

So you'd be fine with an independent union with the same cast who has been running things post CEM (common era Moak) :cool: