I believe you will incur a freeze. However, a new category is open to anyone including those currently under a training freeze. I could be wrong though.

Bugger... so do I stay at the bottom on the 88 bouncing between bases and wait until I can get back into MSP, or try for the DTW 717 and suck up two years commuting there (again)? If only they would tell us if an MSP 717 cat was on the horizon...

07-20-2013 | 08:16 AM

#135662

ExAF

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Many pilots wanted higher hourly pay over profit sharing. ALPA probably looked at polling data and gave pilots what they collectively wanted.

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Originally Posted by CheapTrick

BB. That is exactly the rational, but it sure doesn't stop people from *****ing.

No...not really. The point is we shouldn't have had to give up the profit sharing to get the cost of living raises we got. We should have gotten both. ANYTIME you give up something in our negotiations it is rarely ever going to come back. I too would rather the hourly pay, but not at the expense of giving up something we already had. Remember....they came to us that time. You can call it *****ing if you want. I call it selling out cheap. Yes...I did vote no.

07-20-2013 | 08:16 AM

#135663

Bucking Bar

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Originally Posted by Red Five

It would seem once we begin hiring you could hold MSP MD88 in very short order. I've heard no talk what so ever about a 717 base in Minneapolis. For one thing, the inlets let too much snow in.

07-20-2013 | 08:18 AM

#135664

Bucking Bar

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Originally Posted by ExAF

I voted no also ... however there was more than cost of living in our raises.

More is always better, but as I out earn a US Airways mid seniority Captain ... it is hard for me to complain about the earnings side of the equation too much.

07-20-2013 | 08:24 AM

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Red Five

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

It would seem once we begin hiring you could hold MSP MD88 in very short order. I've heard no talk what so ever about a 717 base in Minneapolis. For one thing, the inlets let too much snow in.

That's the wild card... being over 200 below that bottom of the base, I'm not sure I can make up much ground unless they choose to add slots again. The CAPT slots on 717 and 73 could help move folks out of the base ahead of me, but I don't think they will really expand or add MD-88 positions there as they hire. Then again, I'm new and haven't seen what happens to categories when there is hiring. I barely snuck in over the last bit of hiring.

07-20-2013 | 08:26 AM

#135666

Bucking Bar

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darn internet connection

07-20-2013 | 08:26 AM

#135667

johnso29

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Originally Posted by Red Five

Tough call. But a MSP DTW commute is probably painful.

07-20-2013 | 08:32 AM

#135668

Bucking Bar

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Originally Posted by Red Five

Growth is why Delta had wide body lineholders in their first 14 months on property. I think we are going to see marginal growth and we are going to like it a lot.

These displacement bids force everyone into a stove piped seniority solution. Once growth starts folks will bid their preferences, which is just all over the place.

Lets see if there are any announcements towards the end of the month that change your views. (not that I know anything, but if a guess was ventured about announcements, it might coincide with earnings reports or Board of Director's meetings. ALPA's also got a big meeting scheduled in Seattle and while ALPA doesn't have any scoop that I know of these things do seem to work out conveniently)

07-20-2013 | 08:34 AM

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Red Five

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It would seem once we begin hiring you could hold MSP MD88 in very short order. I've heard no talk what so ever about a 717 base in Minneapolis. For one thing, the inlets let too much snow in.

I wish I still had the source, but I did read early on network was looking at a possible NYC or MSP 717 base in the distant future (after DTW and ATL are fully running), but that was a long time ago...