Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-26-2013 | 03:35 AM
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Yeah, there's an awful lot of *'s on that list of cities. Good thing our customers prefer flying mainline...you know, 70 seats and above.
Break break---from three weeks ago:
ALPA: We think you guys need to hire. The peasants...er, pilots are getting a little reckless and threatening to break up our consortium.
MGT: Argh, another waste of money. How many would pacify them?
ALPA: Could you go 500?
MGT: We'll hire 50.
ALPA: How about 400?
MGT: Tell you what. We'll bring back the bypasses, add 100 new pilots, and make it sound like 300 in a well-crafted email. In return, you start prepping them to give us relief on the Atlantic JV. Or, we could increase mainline flying to comply.
ALPA & MGT: Ah, ha ha ha, ah, ha ha ha, good one! (Much knee slapping occurs)
ALPA: No, that sounds good. We will get an email out in the next two weeks. You guys still plan to be out of compliance in the Pacific, too, right?
MGT: Yes, and remember, you already agreed to sell that to the masses.
ALPA: We know, we know, working it already.
MGT: Come up with one of those graphs with a large y-axis scale so everything looks flat and fair. Those usually fool them.
ALPA: Funny you should mention it. That's our plan for the JV prep email.
MGT: Excellent...more cognac?
ALPA: Why yes sir, don't mind if I do.
Break break---from three weeks ago:
ALPA: We think you guys need to hire. The peasants...er, pilots are getting a little reckless and threatening to break up our consortium.
MGT: Argh, another waste of money. How many would pacify them?
ALPA: Could you go 500?
MGT: We'll hire 50.
ALPA: How about 400?
MGT: Tell you what. We'll bring back the bypasses, add 100 new pilots, and make it sound like 300 in a well-crafted email. In return, you start prepping them to give us relief on the Atlantic JV. Or, we could increase mainline flying to comply.
ALPA & MGT: Ah, ha ha ha, ah, ha ha ha, good one! (Much knee slapping occurs)
ALPA: No, that sounds good. We will get an email out in the next two weeks. You guys still plan to be out of compliance in the Pacific, too, right?
MGT: Yes, and remember, you already agreed to sell that to the masses.
ALPA: We know, we know, working it already.
MGT: Come up with one of those graphs with a large y-axis scale so everything looks flat and fair. Those usually fool them.
ALPA: Funny you should mention it. That's our plan for the JV prep email.
MGT: Excellent...more cognac?
ALPA: Why yes sir, don't mind if I do.
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07-26-2013 | 03:54 AM
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07-26-2013 | 05:15 AM
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A lot of people are watching to see what happens with these scope violations in the Atlantic and Pacific.
Those last two MEC Updates seemed to lay the groundwork for another rewrite of our scope clause. That would be very unfortunate. We better get something real good in return. ($$$) If ALPA just caves in again and reworks the numbers and percentages to conveniently allow whatever management is doing, then there might finally be some backlash from the line pilots.
07-26-2013 | 05:18 AM
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Alright, to tell you the truth, not much really went on. I was very disappointed with the turnout. My guess is there were only about 5 (possibly a couple more) there who were not affiliated with the Union somehow. All the SEA Reps were there along with a guy from the MEC codeshare committee.
I printed out a copy of the latest MEC Update about the TAJV and discussed it with the Reps and the committee member. I was asked by the FO Rep if I thought any of it was "spin" and I said yes, I thought there were 2 places and I showed him where. I contended that where it said "the Delta pilots have maintained their "fair share" of the work" was one of them. Sounds like the codeshare committee is defining "fair share" from the past, as in before Alitalia vs after Alitalia joined on the AF/KLM side. (I didn't see any numbers but supposedly we are up to the amount of JV flying we were doing before Alitalia.) My contention was no, we are not maintaining our fair share. Our fair share is contractually defined. I also thought that sentence about growth beyond our fair share which didn't occur was over the top.
Talked about a few other things like the 316 NRT departures. No discussions/negotiations have taken place yet.
I got the distinct impression from all the reps that they were not getting very much input from the line pilot and would like a lot more.
I would highly recommend going if there is ever one in your area. Hey, what pilot doesn't like free beer, free food and free parking!!
(Yeah, Yeah, I know it's all paid with dues money but, hey, no out of pocket expenses!)
Denny
I printed out a copy of the latest MEC Update about the TAJV and discussed it with the Reps and the committee member. I was asked by the FO Rep if I thought any of it was "spin" and I said yes, I thought there were 2 places and I showed him where. I contended that where it said "the Delta pilots have maintained their "fair share" of the work" was one of them. Sounds like the codeshare committee is defining "fair share" from the past, as in before Alitalia vs after Alitalia joined on the AF/KLM side. (I didn't see any numbers but supposedly we are up to the amount of JV flying we were doing before Alitalia.) My contention was no, we are not maintaining our fair share. Our fair share is contractually defined. I also thought that sentence about growth beyond our fair share which didn't occur was over the top.
Talked about a few other things like the 316 NRT departures. No discussions/negotiations have taken place yet.
I got the distinct impression from all the reps that they were not getting very much input from the line pilot and would like a lot more.
I would highly recommend going if there is ever one in your area. Hey, what pilot doesn't like free beer, free food and free parking!!
(Yeah, Yeah, I know it's all paid with dues money but, hey, no out of pocket expenses!)Denny
You said you talked to Art and Sam M the CS Committee Chairman. You say that Sam was defending the fair share, and then state that is what is in the PWA. Did any of the color these two pilot gave you help you gain some perspective on what is going on? Did they answer or quell any concerns you had about what you thought was going on in these JV's?
I went to a training PUB a month or so ago and it was not a sales job at all. It was more about answering questions and clearing up any misconceptions anyone may have had.
If they did a good job at anything or helped answer questions or concerns you can admit that too Denny.
07-26-2013 | 05:22 AM
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07-26-2013 | 05:26 AM
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I get the feeling that I'm being shown all the excuses on why the company will not be able to honor its portion of section 1. Almost as though I'm being prepared for bad news, or at the very least to anticipate what can be expected in the near future.
The 3 year window, in addition to the cure period, is basically useless if you ask me. March 2015 bumps up to openers for contract 2016 which undoubtedly be hung over our heads.
The 3 year window, in addition to the cure period, is basically useless if you ask me. March 2015 bumps up to openers for contract 2016 which undoubtedly be hung over our heads.
One thing we probably need to realize about the trending non-compliance is that RA pulled down when AF refused to. I highly doubt non-compliance at the end of the measurement period will result in DAL buying jets to get in to compliance. They will be non-compliant and either monetize it, or negotiate the settlement of the grievance as part of the next deal. No way he would buy 7 3330's to get in compliance for something that at best cost in lost pilot wages equal to one or two of those jets.
07-26-2013 | 05:41 AM
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The boast was that by the end of the compliance window Delta would add 6-7 daily 7ER roundtrips to meet the percentage
Not only will Delta miss the target of 50%, They will miss the lower limit we gave them, the "just in case" wiggle room and they will miss that on a rolling 3-year average. So basically anything under 50% means non-Delta pilots are providing that share of the Trans Atlantic capacity...
Not only is that not fair, it doesn't meet the requirements of the PWA.
But here's the kicker:
In todays earnings call Management boasted that even thought Atlantic capacity will be up by a percentage point or so, the schedule will be flown by 16 fewer jets because of up gauging.
So in summary:
All these factors mean fewer 7ER pilots and fewer augmented 7ER crews...It matters, because there are more 7ER pilots than in any other category.
Maybe next time the company and DALPA decide that our pay has reached "our fair share" and that any upcoming increases will be withheld...it wouldn't be any different really.
Cheers
George
Not only will Delta miss the target of 50%, They will miss the lower limit we gave them, the "just in case" wiggle room and they will miss that on a rolling 3-year average. So basically anything under 50% means non-Delta pilots are providing that share of the Trans Atlantic capacity...
Not only is that not fair, it doesn't meet the requirements of the PWA.
But here's the kicker:
In todays earnings call Management boasted that even thought Atlantic capacity will be up by a percentage point or so, the schedule will be flown by 16 fewer jets because of up gauging.
So in summary:
- Euro flying dramatically cut because of crisis
- Delta flying a smaller percentage of the already reduced JV flying than spelled out in PWA
- Even though Delta is adding capacity they still will miss the lower limit and are boasting about doing so with 16 fewer jets.
All these factors mean fewer 7ER pilots and fewer augmented 7ER crews...It matters, because there are more 7ER pilots than in any other category.
Maybe next time the company and DALPA decide that our pay has reached "our fair share" and that any upcoming increases will be withheld...it wouldn't be any different really.
Cheers
George
If Europe ever recovers and medium to high yield ridership returns we stand to profit greatly on the balance of block hr flying on the TAJV. It was a JV that was built for upside growth. Kind of hard to have that for the last five years when the world economy has been in the crapper. Sucks but that is a harsh reality.
Non-complinace comes at a price. My Rep is very aware of it, and wants to know what the lack of progression and jobs has cost this group. It we get to 2015 and he is still in office he will push the issue, and hard, but thinking that DAL will fork over billions in new jets to pacify this non-complinace is a pipe dream.
On a second note, AF's ability to pull down flying was affected by French law prohibiting much of it. In the first part of this year, that low was watered down and AF pulled down a lot of flying.
Non-compliance is non-complinace and is dealt with through a grievance or negotiation. Nothing new here.
07-26-2013 | 05:49 AM
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Perhaps the single most mind boggling thing to me about ALPA, is the vast amount of money we spend on experts and lawyers yet every single time we always seem to be looking back saying W T F. When negotiating these deals, is it done during a dinner party with cocktails and scantily clad women?
Part of the issue is Labor in the airline industry has been effectively marginalized by the laws in place, and no, there is absolutely no incentive to provide anything more to a labor group until end state section 6.
You will respond that ALPA needs to change the RLA, and that is a great idea, but even now, we may end us hurting ourselves more than we help. End state section 6 is at least in 2017 if not later. Pilots have clearly stated they want progression now, so what does that leave us with? Yep, proactive negotiations. It does help that we would for a company making money, but it does not mean it will be forked over.
Reality of the world around you may suck, but the reality inside our world is the incentive for you company to pay you one more cent, is well, minimal.
07-26-2013 | 05:50 AM
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07-26-2013 | 05:59 AM
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Check Essential,
Please attend the C44 meeting 11 AM August 1. Captain Rick Dominguez is "the man" who thought up these agreements & today maintains leadership on these issues. If anyone has questions, or input, this is an opportunity to learn and have your voice heard by the leadership that matters (it can be imagined our MEC Chairman, most of the negotiating committee, Committee experts) will be there.
All these men want to grow Delta's "share" of these agreements.
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Please attend the C44 meeting 11 AM August 1. Captain Rick Dominguez is "the man" who thought up these agreements & today maintains leadership on these issues. If anyone has questions, or input, this is an opportunity to learn and have your voice heard by the leadership that matters (it can be imagined our MEC Chairman, most of the negotiating committee, Committee experts) will be there.
All these men want to grow Delta's "share" of these agreements.
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