Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Great post. At this point in time mainline has done nothing but shrink since the merger. I'll believe the 717's and 739's are growth when our fleet actually grows.
All I know is the ink has been dry on this contract for over a year and we have fewer pilots than we did a year ago.
80 (additional) airframes + retirements starting = 300 pilots needed, something doesn't add up?
All I know is the ink has been dry on this contract for over a year and we have fewer pilots than we did a year ago.
80 (additional) airframes + retirements starting = 300 pilots needed, something doesn't add up?
Right again, and what do YOU think SD means when he stated in the same update you see the "300" that the "number of pilots hired can and likely will change"?
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More bad press from a connection carrier.
A partially paralyzed man is suing Delta Airlines, claiming he was forced to crawl on and off his flights and across the tarmac because he wasn't provided with the equipment he needed to board and exit the plane, according to a complaint.
D. Baraka Kanaan, 40, of Haiku, Hawaii, filed the suit in U.S. District Court in Hawaii against Delta Airlines and 20 of the carrier's employees and agents. The suit, filed on July 23, seeks damages after he endured "intense physical and extreme emotional suffering" from the ordeal.
In the suit, Kanaan said the airline subjected him to "appallingly outrageous treatment" both on his flight to Nantucket, Mass., on July 27, 2012 and on his flight back to Maui, Hawaii, two days later.
A partially paralyzed man is suing Delta Airlines, claiming he was forced to crawl on and off his flights and across the tarmac because he wasn't provided with the equipment he needed to board and exit the plane, according to a complaint.
D. Baraka Kanaan, 40, of Haiku, Hawaii, filed the suit in U.S. District Court in Hawaii against Delta Airlines and 20 of the carrier's employees and agents. The suit, filed on July 23, seeks damages after he endured "intense physical and extreme emotional suffering" from the ordeal.
In the suit, Kanaan said the airline subjected him to "appallingly outrageous treatment" both on his flight to Nantucket, Mass., on July 27, 2012 and on his flight back to Maui, Hawaii, two days later.
The fleet plan, aircraft delivery schedules and aircraft park and retirement plans are all posted in various locations on Deltanet and are accessible from a work computer. The latest revision that I looked at was dated 6/13/13 and showed a net increase of 80 mainline airframes by 12/31/15. It didn't include the 11 EVA/Uni MD-90's. There were 50 739 and 88 B717 deliveries against 17 DC-9-50 and 41 B757 retirement/lease returns.
I also agree with FTB that the number of announced hired is low....but I believe that it is far, far more, and that the company is going to make an announcement every few months adding to that number, but never make a "big announcement", in keeping with the desire to appear nimble and strategic to the investments community.
Delta cannot replace the loss of 150-180 50 seat ASM's on an equal basis with only about 40-50 of the 76's that will be at DCI by that point. Yes there is an increase of seats in the 76's, but the reduced total airframes means the number of segments beyond 900SM is reduced, and the short segments the 50's flew still need to be served, additionally, the 717's will be poaching the "heavier" routes that 76's used to operate, pushing more RJ's onto less productive (by ASM) city pairs.
DCI will be down a minimum of 5580 seats at the end of the 717 deliveries (I'm not doing the math on a July 2015 snapshot, call it 80% of that if you want...whatever).
Where is the official announcement on EVA 90's? I don't put anything into rumors, I gotta see SEC statements or press releases. Sorry Slow, where ya been anyway?
Here's the thing, do we as a group want to see us have a net growth of 80 jets before you count in 30 321s and 10ish 330s? YES!
Do we want to see us hiring like crazy? Yes!
Do we want to see massive year-over-year capacity growth?! YES!
Is that Delta's modus operandi? No. Not at all.
So to me it's one of two things;
Do we want to see us hiring like crazy? Yes!
Do we want to see massive year-over-year capacity growth?! YES!
Is that Delta's modus operandi? No. Not at all.
So to me it's one of two things;
A) We're not growing capacity, net growing the fleet and hiring like mad because these orders are replacement jets for the most part and if we only netted 30 airframes or so that's just a few hundred pilots in growth and with ALV+15 and other changes maybe it's status quo outside of retirements.
or
B) Delta management is going to change its philosophy and we're going to sneak attack something! Don't know what though, remember when we talked DFW but now you look at DFW and there's not a gate open in E. And Wall Street might not like a change in philosophy but then who cares if we own the world!
We'll wait and see.
or
B) Delta management is going to change its philosophy and we're going to sneak attack something! Don't know what though, remember when we talked DFW but now you look at DFW and there's not a gate open in E. And Wall Street might not like a change in philosophy but then who cares if we own the world!
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There used to be an exemption to the ADA rules for commuter carriers. The aisle chair doesn't fit down the aisle. There was no way to remove people down the stairway, either.
I think there is some serious bs going on in this story. No one lets a man crawl across the tarmac. Still, the damage is done from a PR standpoint.
I read the article this morning and many of the comments raised the BS flag, too.
I think there is some serious bs going on in this story. No one lets a man crawl across the tarmac. Still, the damage is done from a PR standpoint.
I read the article this morning and many of the comments raised the BS flag, too.
Would love them to be on the same page. Seems like everyone is on the same page with 30 A321s and 10ish A330s with a few mentioning 2 773s added to the mix. Whether its wrong or right everyone seems to be saying it. Hiring seems to be bipolar though.
Speaking of aircraft orders, Airbus and Boeing must go mad dealing with Delta. On the one hand a carrier or two from the Middle East will walk in and buy 300 over whatever they got with every option with ease. We walk in and haggle over 30 NBs and 10 WBs for years.
Delta cannot replace the loss of 150-180 50 seat ASM's on an equal basis with only about 40-50 of the 76's that will be at DCI by that point. Yes there is an increase of seats in the 76's, but the reduced total airframes means the number of segments beyond 900SM is reduced, and the short segments the 50's flew still need to be served, additionally, the 717's will be poaching the "heavier" routes that 76's used to operate, pushing more RJ's onto less productive (by ASM) city pairs.
[B]Glen Hauenstein Executive Vice President of Marketing, Network Planning & Revenue Management
Well, we started to retire 50-seat equipment, and we're accelerating that as we get to the third and fourth quarter. That will -- the continuation, we will continue to have reductions in regional equipment. That is mostly being replaced by existing equipment. But as we get into the third and fourth quarters, we begin to take deliveries of the 717s. The 717s will start to replace a lot of the 76-seaters, which will replace the 50-seaters. So think of it as kind of a reverse cascade in terms of gauge. And as Richard mentioned and Ed mentioned, the actual fleet number despite -- will be down about 2% despite the fact that capacity is up 2% (note: down in first half 2013, up 2% in last half 2013 and +1% overall). And that will not only provide a better product for our customers, but some cost relief or cost assistance as the gauge continues to increase.
Well, we started to retire 50-seat equipment, and we're accelerating that as we get to the third and fourth quarter. That will -- the continuation, we will continue to have reductions in regional equipment. That is mostly being replaced by existing equipment. But as we get into the third and fourth quarters, we begin to take deliveries of the 717s. The 717s will start to replace a lot of the 76-seaters, which will replace the 50-seaters. So think of it as kind of a reverse cascade in terms of gauge. And as Richard mentioned and Ed mentioned, the actual fleet number despite -- will be down about 2% despite the fact that capacity is up 2% (note: down in first half 2013, up 2% in last half 2013 and +1% overall). And that will not only provide a better product for our customers, but some cost relief or cost assistance as the gauge continues to increase.
Separate question, I know there's some long domestic routes where we like to use 763ERs, I wonder if as the 757s cycle out we'll see a lot more of that and new 330s take the 763ERs place? Because I'm not up to speed on the 76ER fleet but didn't they stop some of the retrofitting of crew rest facilities and winglets?
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Need a room at Dtw to catch morning flight. Westin says they don't have a delta discount for pilots. Anyone know how to get a good price there or where a close place is?
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