Hey, but under condition of web board anonymity, all rights are hereby reserved to complete denial of the foregoing affirmation .... if I can figure out some way to make an alter ego flight out of Endeavor, I will

 

I am sure not one regional guy would ever want any pilot to lose his job at DAL or any major. The more pilots positions reduced or removed at any major is also one less job available to the regional pilots trying to get on with the majors as positions or openings become available. So couldn't DAL pilots choose one DCI or try to combine all the DCI's into one and make them something like "B" scale DAL pilots? You can then have the same test and interview like it is now before moving up to the major side. That is everything remains like it is now for DAL pilots or better.

 

Wow. That was a quick flip-flop.

I presume then, that in your opinion, so is Expressjet, Chataqua, Republic, Skywest and all the rest, since they are all performing flying which we permit in our Section 1?

 

I thought they got booted nearly two years after. Chairman Moak or somebody probably saw me coming on "craft and class" inclusion before I even thought of it myself.

 

As stated earlier, DPA has no structure for this yet because the Delta pilots haven't voted yet. But you have to ask yourself: How's ALPA doing so far with this interest coordination and profession promoting? What do the various pilot groups think of it? Is ALPA's foundation becoming stronger as a result?

Pilots are beginning to provide the answers for ALPA in this regard. And panic appears to be setting in.

Carl

 

PG,

First, I am an ALPA member and at the end of the day my union speaks for me. That's my official answer.

Among friends, I am one opinion out of 11,500 or so. My opinion pretty much is summed up in Flying the Line I & II. I grew up in this business ... when coming out of Lorenzo's Texas Air fiasco we formally declared that alter egos in any form to be the greatest threat to our profession and they were not to be tolerated under any circumstances.

I believe the changes in 1998 were wrong and will eventually destroy our union if left unchecked. The DPA is just the most recent boil which provides an objective indication of the deeper underlying pathology. Will this localized infection spread and kill it's host? I dunno, hope not.

Frankly, Contract 2012 and the recovery of Delta flying leads me to see objective signs of recovery, or at least progressive management of the disease. I figured the DPA, like a fever, would be on the decline with outward signs of improving conditions.

So yes in my opinion Endeavor is an "alter ego." If asked for a legal, or factual opinion (not that I'm licensed to practice anything) I would say that Endeavor is not currently considered an alter ego by anyone who matters.

Surely you can appreciate the difference.

 

Sir, that is too late. Over 2000 DAL/NWA mainline pilots lost their jobs to the growing Regional Monster (BBBBBB SCALE) a few years back. The REGIONAL MONSTER became huge, had quick upgrades, flew capable mainline jets and operated under 3rd world salaries. Now the Regional Monster has gotten so out of hand, that its' pilots think they should automatically be on the Mainline List.

I dont agree with B scale, I dont agree with Regional Airlines flying BIG RJs either. When you are qualified, you INTERVIEW! Just like all of us. There is no easy way to make it. The only reason I see Delta and ALPA wanting flow throughs is that it introduces eager, former low paid, mediocre work rule exposed pilots to our Mainline list. This influx of eager pilots dilute our ranks. These new pilots would gladly accept 7 SC a month with pay raises of 4-8.5-3-3. This is the plan and the black helicopter just got shot down.

Jethikoki, sir, as I told you before, stop trying to find the easy way in. Stop comparing others ability to flow thru or merge thru. Concentrate on your talents, be diligent and award yourself with an offer of employment. It feels much better earned than having it handed to you.

Good Day.

TEN

 

True, but do you understand the changes ALPA made in 1998 that facilitated what started to happen four years later?

Alter Ego airlines should have never been allowed in the first place. But, now that we have them there are two possible answers if we decide to repair the situation, negotiate contracts that their involvement in our "Company flying," or try to find ways to work with them and absorb them as we can. Of the two possible solutions (and I'm for either one) the second is more economically viable.

 

The IRS taxes "value", much like their recent efforts to tax people's frequent flyer miles for the "value" those add to their lives. The insurance adds value to our career, so they make us pay.

There are most certainly pilots on the list today who have returned from cancer, heart issues, etc., who would have a difficult, if not impossible time, finding life insurance. This company "freebie" may be the only game in town for them.

Lastly, the $88 is taxed at your marginal tax rate, so you are probably only paying $20 or so a month for it.

 

Thank you, no more questions....