Most of the pilot group doesn't even know that it happened to us. It was one of those nice sub definitions of longevity tucked into the JCBA. Apparently it was changed after the two groups came back to the table. We couldn't even vote, so we just got what we were dealt. Bottom line, it beats the street which is probably where I'd be without this merger.

 

Yes, but didn't you all get longevity for your furlough?
Stop comparing apples to apples. Move along, and it will be a much better place for all of us to work!

 

Apparently many of you aren't aware and don't understand the gist of it, because it doesn't affect you. That is understandable.

The MEC has at least acknowledged the longevity issue and it's on the table to be fixed. They chose to focus on the furloughed guys longevity in negotiations and that is totally understandable and I'm glad they did that first. Those guys really got screwed more than anyone in the SLI, we can almost all agree on that.

Regarding the 401k issue, here is the quick run down. Payrates were slightly skewed pre-JCBA for a reason.

- NWA pilots settled for lower pay rates post bankruptcy to hang on to their pension.

- DAL pilots gave up their pension and received slightly higher pay rates post bankruptcy.

When the two groups came together for the JCBA, as part of the agreement they decided to give fDAL pilot's a higher 401k contribution in lieu of having no pension. That's fine, we can all understand that.

The problem with that however was that about 200 fNWA pilots without pensions were grouped in with the fNWA pilots with pensions.

While the disparity has been acknowledged, there is no resolution to try to resolve it. I'm just curious what the new gung ho LEC candidates think about it. There are many issues in our group outside of RJs!

 

Jesus dude. That's easy for you to say, you're not the one being screwed while the current MEC acknowledges you're being screwed.

I'm not complaining, I'm past that. I'm trying to get opinions from our prospective LEC leadership.

 

Give it time, I know that's easy for someone else to say. The new DAL seems focused on doing what is right and taking care of employees. And if the MEC knows, it will get fixed. Let's have some paitence. If not, we all have your back, DAL-S or DAL-N with pensions.

I really hate when we get into bickering matches on this thread. I can only imagine how that comes across to our future potential new hires who might be trolling this site looking for gouge.

 

That sounds weird. The Delta offer in February was a relative seniority list, the list we ended up with is basically a relative seniority list. You must be lucky. The final list was certainly much closer to a relative seniority list than it was a date of hire list.

It sounds to you like it was worth the lower contract to go to arbitration. In that case, then there should not be complaints about the differences in DC and longevity. It seems like the guy that is complaining got his arbitration and now wants his money too.

I don't want to start a civil war, I just wanted to point out that actions have consequences. Sometimes people like to imagine a consequence free world, but that doesn't exist. Often the webboards are dominated by those who want to ignore the consequences of their actions. The lesson is not important for the past, because it is over. However, as we move on to other decisions it is important for people to understand that pretending your actions are consequence free carries a great deal of risk.

 

The Delta list was a relative seniority list keeping all pilots within 1/2 percent of their premerger list. Not really sure how that tracks with the aribtrated list with pullouts and categories ect...

 

Has anyone heard anything about marketing/networking being concerned that they have over estimated the needed block hours for next summer because of the poor summer (and revinue shortfall from it) this year?

Trolling for info...

 

It was relative seniority however all of the dc9 positions were stapled to the bottom.

 

And we are all anxiously awaiting your solution...