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Sink r8 11-16-2013 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1521405)
You clearly don't want to hear it, but they did something interesting in that screening process to produce so many folks like you and tsquare that would never strike the airline for any reason. Tsquare says even the thought of it is stupid. My understanding is that before agency shop, Delta pilots had the highest percentage of non-members than any other ALPA airline.

This isn't just statistical abstracts, this is really important. Without the credible threat of a strike, you are essentially a non-union employee. You'll get whatever the company thinks is right...just like all the other Delta employees.

What was this interesting thing they did, Carl? Explain this to us, how they did something to produce a group that would never strike for any reason. Tell us more about how we S pilots are the reason we don't have a credible strike threat.

I always thought we had a very good group of pilots, with outliers. I thought we had people that were slow to see changes in company cultures, but evidently it's worse than that. Seems like you have information that proves that there is something deeply wrong with us, and the selection process was designed to pick out defective pilots with unusually small testicles. Do tell.

Carl Spackler 11-16-2013 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1521328)
Your telling me I don't know how to copy and paste? You type something. I click the quote button. Simple. You had a few pages basically saying the same thing. How is that a mischaracterization? That's right, it's not. Your making crap up because I'm right.

Great. You can show us your quote posting skill. I've never said or done what you claim here:


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1521058)
Why do you think it's appropriate to lump all former dal south pilots into one basket? Prejudice.

So again, show me where I've ever said what your alleging. I'll wait. Don't forget that quote button.

Carl

Carl Spackler 11-16-2013 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1521417)
What was this interesting thing they did, Carl? Explain this to us, how they did something to produce a group that would never strike for any reason. Tell us more about how we S pilots are the reason we don't have a credible strike threat.

I always thought we had a very good group of pilots, with outliers. I thought we had people that were slow to see changes in company cultures, but evidently it's worse than that. Seems like you have information that proves that there is something deeply wrong with us, and the selection process was designed to pick out defective pilots with unusually small testicles. Do tell.

Didn't say that Sink. And why do some of you guys have to keep bringing up male genitalia?

South pilots are not the reason we don't have a credible strike threat. I've never said we don't have a credible threat. I've said without one, we are essentially a non-union pilot group. This is some real hypersensitivity to keep claiming things I've never said.

Regarding the Delta selection process, I've never said there's something "deeply wrong" with it. Just that it must have been interesting to produce the unusually high number of pilots who would never consider striking Delta under any circumstances.

Carl

tsquare 11-16-2013 02:20 PM

Hey ftb... TOLD YA!!!

ummmmm maybe.

tsquare 11-16-2013 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1521426)
Just that it must have been interesting to produce the unusually high number of pilots who would never consider striking Delta under any circumstances.

Carl

You know Carl, you say some stupid stuff on here, but this is epic.

Sink r8 11-16-2013 02:23 PM

Carl,

It isn't a vice to admit when you screw up. You don't want to marry ignorance and stubbornness. You could simply say you don't know, and apologize for insulting the S group. If you had a problem with what T was writing (which I didn't completely agree with either), you could have proposed something better.

You elected to use the device of discrediting his views by talking about something you don't know much about, and you happen to do this in a particularly tasteless and offensive argument. Ineffective to boot.

These things happen, when keyboards are being used in the heat of the moment. No harm in admitting when you hit keys you shouldn't have.

Carl Spackler 11-16-2013 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1521446)
Carl,

It isn't a vice to admit when you screw up. You don't want to marry ignorance and stubbornness. You could simply say you don't know, and apologize for insulting the S group. If you had a problem with what T was writing (which I didn't completely agree with either), you could have proposed something better.

You elected to use the device of discrediting his views by talking about something you don't know much about, and you happen to do this in a particularly tasteless and offensive argument. Ineffective to boot.

These things happen, when keyboards are being used in the heat of the moment. No harm in admitting when you hit keys you shouldn't have.

Sink,

Your hypersensitivity isn't going to change my views. You're very proud about everything Delta. I get that. Delta is my fourth airline. I've seen lots of pilot groups. Delta's culture is the most different of any I've ever seen. As I said earlier, I was cautioned about this from Western pilots and Pan Am pilots. I chose to wait and see for myself. I saw for myself. It's not a bad culture here, it's just very, very different.

Different is Ok except for one thing, and that is whether we have a credible strike threat here. After listening to tsquare, finis, Bucking Bar and some other south guys I know personally, it is clear they do not believe in ever striking Delta for any reason. That troubles me because I don't know how pervasive that view is.

You can choose to be offended by putting words in my mouth like some of the others have done, but it makes NO difference to me. Furthermore, you might want to at least consider something that doesn't automatically fit your version of Delta's culture. Or not.

Carl

whitt767 11-16-2013 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1521405)
My buds don't have dementia. They have no reason to lie about it.

You clearly don't want to hear it, but they did something interesting in that screening process to produce so many folks like you and tsquare that would never strike the airline for any reason. Tsquare says even the thought of it is stupid. My understanding is that before agency shop, Delta pilots had the highest percentage of non-members than any other ALPA airline.

This isn't just statistical abstracts, this is really important. Without the credible threat of a strike, you are essentially a non-union employee. You'll get whatever the company thinks is right...just like all the other Delta employees.

Carl

Pretty stupid thing to say Carl. You lost credibility with that slip up and it shows your disdain for south pilots.

TheManager 11-16-2013 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1521305)
Yeah, it's great that the company shares all that top secret info to some of the guys on our MEC, that's why I voted Yes to the last one, because I was told by some of those guys on the MEC that we would NEVER SEE those two 3% raises, because Richard had something up his sleeve and we'll be able to reopen our contract and get MORE, well before Jan. of 2014...

Well??

We're Waiting...:rolleyes:

Caddyshack - Well we're waiting. - YouTube



Can you say, "Played" ? yeah, we were played.





Oh, I just love it when they play the, "I have a secret and I can't tell it 'cause of the non-disclosure" card. When they are stymied in any discussion they break that one out.

And yet guys still fall for it?

Carl Spackler 11-16-2013 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by whitt767 (Post 1521455)
Pretty stupid thing to say Carl. You lost credibility with that slip up and it shows your disdain for south pilots.

It's not a slip up, and I don't have disdain for my fellow south pilots, regardless of the words folks like you want to put in my mouth.

To all the other guys that want to go all drama queen with me, bring it. I'll just try to respond to one out of every ten.

Carl


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