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sailingfun 02-05-2014 03:59 PM

[QUOTE=Dorfman;1575112]

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1575106)


Will you show where only 40% can hold ER as a captain?

I am not exactly sure what your asking. I posted we had 500 retirements in the next 3 years. You say 511. Junior ER captain is below 6000 on the list. The majority of retirements in the next 3 years will come from the top 6000.

Dorfman 02-05-2014 04:03 PM

[QUOTE=sailingfun;1575116]

Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1575112)

I am not exactly sure what your asking. I posted we had 500 retirements in the next 3 years. You say 511. Junior ER captain is below 6000 on the list. The majority of retirements in the next 3 years will come from the top 6000.

Sailing I was asking gzgs to show where only 40% can hold ER capt. He stated 60% couldn't hold it! I could have phrased it cleaner.

I just take issue with someone wanting a person to back up a claim with proof and then they, in this case gzgs, throw out a claim with no proof.

Timbo 02-05-2014 04:09 PM

We don't even have 12,000 active pilots on today's list, and number 6,000 can hold ER Capt?? 50%?

Wow.

When I got my first Capt. bid, on the MD88, I was 4 from the bottom in the junior base and right at 50%.

You had to be a big cheese to hold the ER (top 30%) but of course the ER only flew International trips back then!

Now it's down to 50%?? I guess -nobody- wants to sit reserve flying domestic trips on the 757 out of NYC if new hires are coming to the right seat and 50% of the list can hold Capt. on it.

sailingfun 02-05-2014 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1575121)
We don't even have 12,000 active pilots on today's list, and number 6,000 can hold ER Capt?? 50%?

Wow.

When I got my first Capt. bid, on the MD88, I was 4 from the bottom in the junior base and right at 50%.

You had to be a big cheese to hold the ER (top 30%) but of course the ER only flew International trips back then!

Now it's down to 50%?? I guess -nobody- wants to sit reserve flying domestic trips on the 757 out of NYC if new hires are coming to the right seat and 50% of the list can hold Capt. on it.


6000 can hold it. For the last 10 months of this year we have 99 retirements. I think about 10 are out sick. Of the 89 left a quick count shows 60 or so actually holding 7ER or higher.

Elliot 02-05-2014 04:27 PM


For the last 10 months of this year we have 99 retirements. I think about 10 are out sick. Of the 89 left a quick count shows 60 or so actually holding 7ER or higher.
Not arguing your factual (99) retirement numbers, but how realistic is it that only ~100 pilots will retire by year's end?

Someone posted in the past (you/PG?), that a more realistic number equals total (scheduled) retirements, plus ~10% of the list. My apologies if my assumptions/understanding of previous post is wrong.

GJ
(Moved ~20 numbers last month alone.)

newKnow 02-05-2014 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1575121)
We don't even have 12,000 active pilots on today's list, and number 6,000 can hold ER Capt?? 50%?

Wow.

When I got my first Capt. bid, on the MD88, I was 4 from the bottom in the junior base and right at 50%.

You had to be a big cheese to hold the ER (top 30%) but of course the ER only flew International trips back then!

Now it's down to 50%?? I guess -nobody- wants to sit reserve flying domestic trips on the 757 out of NYC if new hires are coming to the right seat and 50% of the list can hold Capt. on it.

I'm right around 6000, Timbo. I've got a little more than 10 guys below me on the Er list in NYC.


…and it sucks. No one should ever bid NYC. It's hard.

gloopy 02-05-2014 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1575153)
…and it sucks. No one should ever bid NYC. It's hard.

What? NYC is super easy. The high speed rail wisks you between all 3 close in airports, unless you're a "local" with a 3-5 hour drive in traffic of course. But at least real estate is cheap and the taxes are low, so you can relocate at the drop of a hat. :cool:

newKnow 02-05-2014 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1575157)
What? NYC is super easy. The high speed rail wisks you between all 3 close in airports, unless you're a "local" with a 3-5 hour drive in traffic of course. But at least real estate is cheap and the taxes are low, so you can relocate at the drop of a hat. :cool:


Bingo. And if you commute, you never have to worry about the weather. There are never any delays and the loads are always wide open.

sailingfun 02-05-2014 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1575121)
We don't even have 12,000 active pilots on today's list, and number 6,000 can hold ER Capt?? 50%?

Wow.

When I got my first Capt. bid, on the MD88, I was 4 from the bottom in the junior base and right at 50%.

You had to be a big cheese to hold the ER (top 30%) but of course the ER only flew International trips back then!

Now it's down to 50%?? I guess -nobody- wants to sit reserve flying domestic trips on the 757 out of NYC if new hires are coming to the right seat and 50% of the list can hold Capt. on it.


6000 can hold it. For the last 10 months of this year we have 99 retirements. I think about 10 are out sick. Of the 89 left a quick count shows 60 or so actually holding 7ER or higher.

gzsg 02-05-2014 06:20 PM

[QUOTE=Dorfman;1575112][QUOTE=gzsg;1575106]


Will you show where only 40% can hold ER as a captain?[/QUOT

The actual list of retiring pilots and their positions is on Deltanet.

Simply count the ones flying ER captain or above. It is much less than half.


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