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DeadHead 02-05-2014 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1574860)
Have any of you used Widget Log yet? It's a 117 webpage/app that is easy for DAL pilots to import their schedule into. If you haven't tried it yet, give it a shot:

www.widgetlog.com

I've had good luck so far with it.

Looks good so far. Be nice if ALPA could give their app the ability to upload your schedules from DBMS. Really want to try and like it but I find it confusing and time intensive.

sailingfun 02-05-2014 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1574967)
I think you are mistaken. The 76ER had it's own separate scale, plus override and night pay. In 1994 a 12 year ER Capt's base pay was $197.00 per hour. What's it up to today... 219? It should pay far more than it does relative to a 737...

I am reading the 91 contract as I type this. End contract pay rates.
757 base rate=2.391996 or 143.52 per hour
767ER international 2.428672 or 145.72 per hour
767ER domestic=2.415154 or 144.91 per hour
Night, speed and international pay were the same.
Weight pay was 3 cents per lb per hour. Weights set at 230k for the 57 and 407k for the ER.

Final rates as published in today's contract would be:
757 base 143.72
Hour/speed 13.24
Mileage 13.24
Weight 6.90
Total 177.10

767ERint base 145.72
Hour/speed 13.24
Mileage 13.24
Weight 12.21
Total 184.41

Difference 7.31 per hour

International/nav pay was 6.50 per hour. The L1011 international paid 207.34 per hour. The 767ER never paid close to the L1011

For the new hires the contractual par rates were that convoluted back then. Much easier when they went to one rate.

tsquare 02-05-2014 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1574880)
Today is national signing day. Looks like Alabama reloaded again, TSquare should be happy with UT's class, AU didn't do so bad, and UGA will be claiming another decent class.


I am very happy today. bUTch Jones did a great job. Got the Berry twins too... BOOM!

Now he's just gotta win baby!


Besides, why you whizzin on my Wheaties? The Barn did OK....

Purple Drank 02-05-2014 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1575056)
Looks good so far. Be nice if ALPA could give their app the ability to upload your schedules from DBMS. Really want to try and like it but I find it confusing and time intensive.

I'm surprised the icrew mobile folks haven't developed such a mod; they already have access to DBMS. I'd pay another 3-5/month for that capability.

tsquare 02-05-2014 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1574886)
Too much attention put on 18 year old's who haven't done a darn thing.

I think back a couple of years ago to Boise St vs UGA, UGA had all top 10 classes and Boise's were in the 70s. Boise won the game and it wasn't close.

So I'll take coaching > stars.

I think there was a stat that showed there were more high school 2 stars playing in the SB then 4 stars or something.

Kind of like the NFL draft where they throw money at a bunch of guys that haven't done anything.... I get it, but after the last 5 years, I gotta be happy about something...

DAL 88 Driver 02-05-2014 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1575063)
I am reading the 91 contract as I type this. End contract pay rates.
757 base rate=2.391996 or 143.52 per hour
767ER international 2.428672 or 145.72 per hour
767ER domestic=2.415154 or 144.91 per hour
Night, speed and international pay were the same.
Weight pay was 3 cents per lb per hour. Weights set at 230k for the 57 and 407k for the ER.

Final rates as published in today's contract would be:
757 base 143.72
Hour/speed 13.24
Mileage 13.24
Weight 6.90
Total 177.10

767ERint base 145.72
Hour/speed 13.24
Mileage 13.24
Weight 13.24
Total 185.10

Difference 8.00 per hour

International/nav pay was 6.50 per hour. The L1011 international paid 207.34 per hour. The 767ER never paid close to the L1011

Interesting. I've got a chart with the 1986 pay rates. In 1986, the 767 Captain rate was $158.21. Adjusted for inflation to today, that would be $342.55.

Current 767 Captain rate is $219.62. For those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, that is $123 below the buying power of a 767 Captain in 1986. Or, put another way, it's a 36% pay cut from 1986 buying power.

Another interesting note: 2004 (C2K) 767 Captain rate was $267.52. Adjusted for inflation to today, that would be $335.92. Current contract 767 Captain rate is a 35% pay cut from 2004 (C2K) buying power.

scambo1 02-05-2014 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1574552)
Sheesh.... all this union drivel again. Look how junior the ER went again, and how guys are able to get back into MSP that couldn't for quite a while!

Not a bad bid... I'm still waiting for the 330 to get down to my seniority range. :)

I'm waiting for 330A to get down to my seniority range.:D

scambo1 02-05-2014 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1574715)
Absolutely. The problem is that we as labor have zero... nada... zip... nunca, control or input as to what airplanes management buys. I guess ya'll will get it when we start parking "bigger".

I'm pretty sure C2012 was sold as us having input... :rolleyes:

+717

gzsg 02-05-2014 03:49 PM

[QUOTE=sailingfun;1574909]

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1574759)
Take a moment to think about what you wrote.

We have little to no retirements ER captain and above. We are parking (according to your post) 63 757s ad 9 to 12 767s.

We have 500 pilot retirements over the period we are parking the 757's. Most are 767 or more senior Captains. We are going to add about 120 A330 Captains over that same period. We will lose about 70 airframes staffed at domestic rates or about 490 Captains. Assuming not a single pilot goes out sick or retires early we still easily cover the loss of those airframes. The really good news is that that allows all the 737-900 airframes to be staffed with upgrades.
Again I don't see any large displacements and yes I have thought about it.

If you were a junior ER captain why would you bid off to a lower paying aircraft? Not to mention a crappier aircraft?

He will more then likely not have to given the current fleet plan. He will move up not down.

Zero displacements is a management fantasy dream.

It's also fairly simple math.

I like your 500 senior captain retirements. Would you show where you found that info?

Here is what is on our ALPA website.

2014 108

2015 173

2016 230

Total 511

More than 60% cannot hold the ER as a captain.

For example, in 2014 of the 108 retirements 36 are holding captain on the ER or higher.

Dorfman 02-05-2014 03:54 PM

[QUOTE=gzsg;1575106]

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1574909)

I like your 500 senior captain retirements. Would you show where you found that info?

Here is what is on our ALPA website.

2014 108

2015 173

2016 230

Total 511

More than 60% cannot hold the ER as a captain.


Will you show where only 40% can hold ER as a captain?


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