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KC10 FATboy 09-22-2009 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 682373)
A'A / FatBoy:

Sorry: I wasn't saying that this three-hour ordeal has happened to me personally. I was drawing on a couple of different experiences to "draw a picture", as it were.

Of course I have witnessed plenty of crews wait (and wait, and wait) for gates inbound at JFK, and miss their commute. So there is enough truth to it. Not the dramatic truth of that single horrific story: the annoying truth of flight after flight routinely showing with crews of 7 to 11 people, and hundreds of passengers, all waiving goodbye to their connections, from between 22L and R.

The other part of the story:
On the domestic side, I recall holding for a gate in ATL for a while after being very late inbound.
There we were, right in front of it. Except it was occupied.
Ground crews were ready, people loaded. Tug was hooked up.
And yet, nothing happened.
We asked for another gate.
Were told there were no others.
"How long the delay on this gate"?
The answer: "anytime now".
"Anytime" passed, with no movement.
We asked for another gate.
Were told there were no others.
"What the reason for the delay", we asked?
"Waiting on flight crew... late inbound".
Out of curiosity, we asked for the outbound flight number.
"1234 (or something like it). To Boston" (or something like it).
We look on our rotation, and, imagine that, we're going to Boston, flight 1234.

Luckily, the meter was running.

Now that is really funny and sad.

KC10 FATboy 09-22-2009 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 682428)
Heyas KC10,

No, I haven't. MSP was a test city, and their runways were only marginally smaller than the "regular" parallel distance cutoff. For some reason, it just never really worked that well, and the one time I actually did a PRM we got broken out because we couldn't slow enough for the AVRO ahead of us.

Nu

I've done PRM at MSP ... well, actually we weren't PRM qualified (lack of two VHF) but all ATC did was not put someone right next to us. No big deal

In ATL when they are doing triple PRM approaches, it will blow your mind. Especially when you're being vectored and you can see all of the airplanes. In ATL, you get *very* close to other traffic as you're joining the localizer. It's really impressive.

forgot to bid 09-22-2009 12:21 PM

Question, does CLE still run the "do you see that plane? Good, pull up beside him but don't pass him."

?

Never before in my Part 121 life have I had a pilot waive to me on approach and waive back and been able to actually see him.

buzzpat 09-22-2009 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 682462)
Question, does CLE still run the "do you see that plane? Good, pull up beside him but don't pass him."

?

Never before in my Part 121 life have I had a pilot waive to me on approach and waive back and been able to actually see him.

Next time, roll inverted, put your canopy on his, and flip him off. Its a hoot.:p

80ktsClamp 09-22-2009 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 682482)
Next time, roll inverted, put your canopy on his, and flip him off. Its a hoot.:p


Charlie: Excuse me, Lieutenant. Is there something wrong?
Maverick: Yes ma'am, the data on the 757 is inaccurate.
Charlie: How's that, Lieutenant?
Maverick: Well, I just happened to see a 757 do a...
Goose: We!
Maverick: Uh, sorry, Goose. *We* happened to see a 757 do a 4g negative dive.
Charlie: Where did you see this?
Maverick: Uh, that's classified.
Charlie: It's what?
Maverick: It's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

buzzpat 09-22-2009 01:36 PM

Charlie: So, first officer, where exactly were you?
Maverick: Well, we...
Goose: Thank you.
Maverick: Started on the PRM, when he pulled from the clouds, and then I moved in above him.
Charlie: Well, if you were directly above him, how could you see him?
Maverick: Because I was inverted.
Iceman: [coughs whilst saying] Bull****.
Goose: No, he was man. It was a really great move. He was inverted.
Charlie: You were in a 4g inverted dive with a 757?
Maverick: Yes, ma'am.
Charlie: At what range?
Maverick: Um, about two meters.
Goose: It was actually about one and a half I think. It was one and a half. I've got a great Polaroid of it, and he's right there, must be one and a half.
Maverick: Was a nice picture.
Goose: Thanks.
Charlie: Eh, first officer, what were you doing there?
Goose: Communicating.
Maverick: Communicating. Keeping up positive relations with our airline brethren. You know, giving him the bird!
Goose: [Charlie looks puzzled, so Goose clarifies] You know, the finger
Charlie: Yes, I know the finger, Goose.
Goose: I-I'm sorry, I hate it when it does that, I'm sorry. Excuse me.

johnso29 09-22-2009 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 682462)
Question, does CLE still run the "do you see that plane? Good, pull up beside him but don't pass him."

?

Never before in my Part 121 life have I had a pilot waive to me on approach and waive back and been able to actually see him.


That is by far the closest approach I've ever done. I was able to read the DC on the FO's David Clarks. Waaaaaay close, but we were able to maintain visual.

NuGuy 09-22-2009 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 682518)
That is by far the closest approach I've ever done. I was able to read the DC on the FO's David Clarks. Waaaaaay close, but we were able to maintain visual.

It's like SFO. Phew....

Nu

johnso29 09-22-2009 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 682539)
It's like SFO. Phew....

Nu

Nu,

I did the parallels in SFO while I was on the 320, & the CLE approaches were actually closer! :eek:

Sink r8 09-22-2009 04:53 PM

About the Additional Financing...
 
Looking at these two articles:

Atlanta Metro News | ajc.com

Delta to sell $500M in notes in private offering - Yahoo! Finance

1) Am I correct that the first 500 million, issued last week is for senior notes, and is distinct from the second five hundred million of junior debt, for a total of 1 billion additional debt?

2) I understand this to be for repayment of former NW debt, i.e. that it is essentially a refinancing. Am I correct?

Thanks.


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