Originally Posted by buzzpat

From the really stupid questions that a Delta guy should know with almost 13 years seniority department.....

What is the difference between DOH and Benefits Start Date? I assumed I'd get a fourth week of vacation this year since I have 12 plus years of seniority. I spoke with the vacation people and my 12 years didn't start until my "Benefit Start Date" which was a year plus later. Help?

Originally Posted by buzzpat

From the really stupid questions that a Delta guy should know with almost 13 years seniority department.....

What is the difference between DOH and Benefits Start Date? I assumed I'd get a fourth week of vacation this year since I have 12 plus years of seniority. I spoke with the vacation people and my 12 years didn't start until my "Benefit Start Date" which was a year plus later. Help?

Originally Posted by buzzpat

From the really stupid questions that a Delta guy should know with almost 13 years seniority department.....

What is the difference between DOH and Benefits Start Date? I assumed I'd get a fourth week of vacation this year since I have 12 plus years of seniority. I spoke with the vacation people and my 12 years didn't start until my "Benefit Start Date" which was a year plus later. Help?

Originally Posted by Purple Drank

There's a chart in the contract that spells out exactly when your vacation clock starts ticking. Were you hired after 1 April?

First page of Chapter 7 (I had a similar issue last year). Basically, the caveat is:

"Years of Continuous Employment Completed before April 1"

Not sure about the "benefit start date." Please let me know if you get the answer to that.

Originally Posted by tsquare

Sure... I guess. Whether it leaves a vacuum or not can be debated as to whether our filling of that vacuum was lucrative or not. If it were, I am pretty sure this management team would not leave it behind... they seem pretty adept at making money. Since we pilots want more money, better benefits, fewer days work, and more pilots on the property, one could make an argument that driving DAL's costs higher might contribute to pulling out of lower yielding markets. I cannot make that argument any more than you or anybody else on here can make the counter that we lose money by leaving. We just don't have enough information as workerbees. Give you an example. UAL started flying into all our Africa destinations, and lost money on many of them because some markets just won't support 2 or more carriers. So they left, and we started making money again.

NWA was huge in NRT, no doubt. It sucks when something you were a part of goes away. It's just business. It's like selling a house that you KNOW is worth more than the market is offering. We've all been there. Many on here think the cargo operation in ANC was making money. I challenge any of them to PROVE that assertion. Same with NRT. PROVE it with numbers and not conjecture. It killed me that we left KBP, BUD, OTP... etc etc etc... but if they weren't making money, there is no reason to fly there. Unfortunately. Time to move on to where we CAN make money and lots of it.

Originally Posted by daldude

Did you bypass at all before or after mil leave?

Originally Posted by buzzpat

I never went on mil leave. I was already retired. I was furloughed and did defer recall for a bit. My DOH was 6/01, furloughed 11/01, recalled in 2007 and came back 2/2008. My "benefits start date" according to the vacation peeps is August of 2002.

Originally Posted by buzzpat

From the really stupid questions that a Delta guy should know with almost 13 years seniority department.....

What is the difference between DOH and Benefits Start Date? I assumed I'd get a fourth week of vacation this year since I have 12 plus years of seniority. I spoke with the vacation people and my 12 years didn't start until my "Benefit Start Date" which was a year plus later. Help?