Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-19-2014 | 03:50 PM
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Not wrong at all. The age old question is how many eggs CAN you break? We'll argue this back and forth for a long time, and some will agree, some won't. All I will say is this: "professional" negotiators are no panacea, and holding out for the grand slam will cost more money by the time you are up to bat with enough men on base. YMMV. I'll take Pete Rose over Barry Bonds all day and twice on Sunday.
02-19-2014 | 03:50 PM
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Actually I'd like to see us be the only US airline to actually compete in MCO-EU. Its a mssive market, with more heavy jumbos there at any given time than we have flying all over the world total (well, almost) and I think we can compete. Of course, you have to get the plane there and back, and ATL-MCO is a market that's perhaps better served by the occasional heavy rather than spamming it with hourly frequency in a leisure market that doesn't reward that much frequency in the slightest. So the occasional 777 to MCO actually wouldn't be a bad idea.
02-19-2014 | 03:53 PM
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Looking at those numbers I hope and suspect they mean the average salary at the top paying airlines not the top salary. The artical did say the top scale FO at Virgin got 70,000 pounds. That would put the top Captains just over 100,000 lbs at Virgin.
Virgins payrates and liberal work rules have had a big negative effect on wages at BA much like SWA in the US.
Virgins payrates and liberal work rules have had a big negative effect on wages at BA much like SWA in the US.
02-19-2014 | 03:55 PM
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Funny thing is that I am not saying that we should blindly trust them. My point is that we do not have any real control over whether or not those decisions are going to be profitable or not. The only decisions we can control are ones where our contract is/has been violated. With a caveat. I personally don't want to hold the company's feet to the fire on every issue that comes down the pike if it will hurt the company financially. That being said, there MUST always be a quid to any violation that results in a change. The $64,000 question is what form that quid takes....
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02-19-2014 | 03:58 PM
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Hit the nail on the head.
Our bagtags and lanyards ought to say "C2016: Industry-Leading EVERYTHING!" and we ought to start wearing them now. Time to start shaping the battlefield.
That should be our (and DALPA's) goal...not three years from signing, or in a couple of cherry-picked areas using the company's/DALPA's jointly formulated fuzzy math.
RA and management want to be an "industry leading airline" without conceding an "industry leading" contract. It's their job to try to get away with it. So it's up to us to say, "you want to be an industry leading airline. Then show us an industry-leading contract". It's up to us to convey that message to DALPA. And we've got to be prepared to use every (legal) resource at our disposal to make it happen.
Of course shiznit, sailingfun, slowplay, acl65, and a host of others will tell us that's impossible, and once again attempt to lower our expectations heading into the contract.
But I'm optimistic that we won't buy DALPA's expenditure-reducing and responsibility-shirking methods again this time; at least not 62% of us.
Our bagtags and lanyards ought to say "C2016: Industry-Leading EVERYTHING!" and we ought to start wearing them now. Time to start shaping the battlefield.
That should be our (and DALPA's) goal...not three years from signing, or in a couple of cherry-picked areas using the company's/DALPA's jointly formulated fuzzy math.
RA and management want to be an "industry leading airline" without conceding an "industry leading" contract. It's their job to try to get away with it. So it's up to us to say, "you want to be an industry leading airline. Then show us an industry-leading contract". It's up to us to convey that message to DALPA. And we've got to be prepared to use every (legal) resource at our disposal to make it happen.
Of course shiznit, sailingfun, slowplay, acl65, and a host of others will tell us that's impossible, and once again attempt to lower our expectations heading into the contract.
But I'm optimistic that we won't buy DALPA's expenditure-reducing and responsibility-shirking methods again this time; at least not 62% of us.
02-19-2014 | 04:02 PM
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02-19-2014 | 04:27 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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02-19-2014 | 05:13 PM
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02-19-2014 | 05:46 PM
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Looking at those numbers I hope and suspect they mean the average salary at the top paying airlines not the top salary. The artical did say the top scale FO at Virgin got 70,000 pounds. That would put the top Captains just over 100,000 lbs at Virgin.
Virgins payrates and liberal work rules have had a big negative effect on wages at BA much like SWA in the US.
Virgins payrates and liberal work rules have had a big negative effect on wages at BA much like SWA in the US.
I wonder what their work rules and benefits really works out to be especially with their government requirements and programs.
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