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Old 03-04-2014 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
You already purchased our airline. We negotiate directly with your management(Bridge Agreement), we also get paid directly from Delta. For a legal point of view, we are Delta pilots, we are just not Delta CBA represented pilots. Labor law is actually free Tsquare, you don't have to pay for it. The problem comes form what happens when the NMB sides with DALPA, yes, there then becomes more mouths to feed at the table. But, this is about restoring the profession for all those poor souls that won't be lucky enough, or well connected enough, to get on with the ever shrinking mainlines, where viable careers are found.

If all you want is bigger contract gains, then I see no point in even having this discussion, because you might as well just sell more contract items, everything is for sale. However, take it from me, someone who has millions of dollars, money isn't everything, you just exchange one set of problems for a new set of problems.

I'm sorry Mesabah; but unless you have a Delta ID and a seniority number, you're not a Delta pilot..regardless of what your paycheck says.
Old 03-04-2014 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Anybody familiar with the vacation move-up process? I need to move a week next January. I know I can probably slide it on my bid, but I need to get it moved now so I can make some solid plans. I thought I had it figured out and submitted a move-up bid, but haven't seen anything happen.
Vacation moveups bidding closes on the 1st of each month at 0800 and is awarded by 1800 on the 4th (eastern time). Just to let you know, last year I had vacation moveups in for many months for November and December. I was awarded them but not until the last possible month to get them. Good luck. Just because you don't get it immediately doesn't mean you won't get it eventually.

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Old 03-04-2014 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
National is afraid that an SLI would bankrupt it.
Why would we (express carriers) get anything but stapled? Bottom of the list like your SSP guys and our flow guys. Flying an RJ with a Delta sticker on the side for any amount of time doesn't earn you longevity and/or seniority at Delta or any other major.
Old 03-04-2014 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Blue but with dark storm clouds moving in fast. However, what do you think is easier to get, a job at a shrinking regional, or a job at a shrinking mainline?
Mine is blue also...whose jobs are shrinking? Hiring on the left, hiring on the right. The dark storm clouds were passing over mainline for years now. Starting to lighten up a bit. Are you employable at a mainline? If so, you should be giddy.
Old 03-04-2014 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Mine is blue also...whose jobs are shrinking? Hiring on the left, hiring on the right. The dark storm clouds were passing over mainline for years now. Starting to lighten up a bit. Are you employable at a mainline? If so, you should be giddy.
He already should be giddy... He has millions of dollars ...
Old 03-04-2014 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Okay, an SLI -Other than a staple - would cause what positive outcome - for ALPA?
I dunno, but I highly doubt it would "bankrupt" them.
Old 03-04-2014 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Someone who only seems to be concerned about money. Bieber was paid only a small fraction of the money he has brought in, so he is one hell of a fool.
So what's your point? Really dude, you aren't impressive with this line.
Old 03-04-2014 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So what's your point? Really dude, you aren't impressive with this line.
Ughh, I'm not trying to impress, I'm trying to say that it would be nice if this career was one worth pursuing in the future. Money isn't everything, as you pointed out with your Beiber example, and I agree, Beiber has money, but no one respects him, nor does he respect himself. Which, is what I was trying to convey in my original post.

Which is the whole point really, if all anyone wants is money, then this career will be much of the same, good for some, horrible for most. It's hard to convey one's message over the internet, I was not bragging, nor trying to impress.
Old 03-04-2014 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
That was my point. You are experienced and professional.

If a pilot's last two words on the CVR are "I'm tired" then fatigue is a pretty good guess for a human factors element. Have you read either of the CVR transcripts cited?
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That was not what you said. First you stated we as mainline pilots couldn't appreciate the stress that outsourcing was having on the pilots involved in the accident. So I showed you that yes many of us could.

Second you said the line couldn't be drawn from this accident to the 1500 hour rule and it should be drawn to outsourcing. Once again if outsourcing caused those accidents mainline would have seen many more accidents then the regionals.

I appreciate your passion for unity but in this case you are mistaken. We can argue the validity of the 1500 hour rule but experience of these pilots caused the accident not the outsourcing.
Old 03-04-2014 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Ughh, I'm not trying to impress, I'm trying to say that it would be nice if this career was one worth pursuing in the future. Money isn't everything, as you pointed out with your Beiber example, and I agree, Beiber has money, but no one respects him, nor does he respect himself. Which, is what I was trying to convey in my original post.

Which is the whole point really, if all anyone wants is money, then this career will be much of the same, good for some, horrible for most. It's hard to convey one's message over the internet, I was not bragging, nor trying to impress.
Well good grief, what career isn't like that? We all can't be in the top 10 money earners in the PGA.... I would not call this career horrible for most however. If it were, then psychologically I would say we have a bunch of masochists, and everyone should have their head examined. Like any job/career, it will have it's high points and it's low points. If it really sucks as bad as you intimate, there are lots of other jobs out there. Not a cop out, but good grief, if you are really that miserable why stay? And like shooting under 100 in golf, or making over $100k in compensation, there is a significant portion of the country that cannot do either.
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