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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1585010)
Go easy on T, he can be eloquent as proven a day or so ago in one post...However, I am still waiting for that eloquence to translate into his pushing of the longevity based pay...Which brings us back to your original point...
Does LBP cost the company more money or does it cost us??? And with the keeping of 40 of the 320s, a large number of the 757s and the rumor of widebody growth, how does LGP (now) get mixed into that calculus? Its day in the sun is over IMO, sorry T... Update on the rumor...787s previously ordered by NWA moved to the front of the line, so we are talking 787-8s with further 900s afterward. There are no whitetail -900s AND yes for delivery at the end of this year. SO...Gentlemen, I am actually beginning to believe that my company, Delta Air Lines is actually embarking on (drum roll please) organic growth!!! Wager, Clamp is a 717A within 2 years... |
Pay rates used to be based on stacking the deck for retirement, now however, you want to earn more money at the start of your career. So LBP helps younger pilots more so than older ones.
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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1584950)
They know more than you and 11,000 pilots will ever know. They have all the inside data. If you believe otherwise, you are totally clueless and naive. Good luck finding your windmill. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1584956)
No no... we can force them to fly into unprofitable markets just to keep an aging hub operational. Besides, we absolutely know what is really going on behind the numbers. They just lie about it all. And I'm gonna personally force Mr Anderson to put KBP back on the schedule. We'll make tons of money right up to the time that we go out of business. Profit sharing... bah!
you know The 617 is an exclusive club of thinkers and if you keep picking destinations in the midst of a civil war we are not going to invite you in. :D |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1585000)
Forcing unprofitable operations on the Company and decreasing available revenue isn't the same thing as increasing pilot compensation, but you know that.
I want the Company to be able to place aircraft where it can increase revenue.... That's how the pilots can then turn around and increase value in the PWA. If the company revenue decreases, then the ability to improve the pilot contract decreases. Ask APA how that worked out.... * Industry leading duty period average increased from our current 5:15 to 5:42(SWA). Eliminate the back side of the clock carve outs. * Increasing vacation pay from 3:15 to the industry leading 6 (FDX). Sh!t, I'd even settle for 5 but don't tell them that. * increasing training pay that is currently 3:45 to the industry leading 4:23 to 4:30 range (SWA & others). * Oh, and the most important, obtaining a medical plan that is some what affordable. Reference Southwest Airlines PPO plan that comes in way below our plans. Shiz, your response didn't seem to track with what PD and Check were writing. No one says we should demand they start "unprofitable operations" like that ridiculous 777 service from ATL to MCO. What they are saying is that we need to negotiate and obtain benefits that will cost the company money. By nature, they will be less profitable. We will have to break some eggs to make this omelette. They (Pd and check) are taking exception to those who believe that by merely asking and bargaining for such items as listed above, they will cost the company money, and thus they take it upon themselves to try and "tamp down our costs." In order to have a truly industry leading contract that even gets close to getting our '96 wages back (adjusted for inflation) instead of C2k restoration, it is not going to be one of those "zero cost contracts" that management parrots to Wall Street. It's going to have an impact on their profitability. Is that wrong? |
Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1584987)
Hey Buzz, according my wife "benefits start date" was our 3 date. "Benefits end date" was the day we got married. Hope that helps;)
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
(Post 1584832)
Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait! Hold it a minute!
You did not vote for Obama. & Papa John? World is spinning the other way Buzz! The other way!:eek: |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1585010)
Update on the rumor...787s previously ordered by NWA moved to the front of the line, so we are talking 787-8s with further 900s afterward. There are no whitetail -900s AND yes for delivery at the end of this year. SO...Gentlemen, I am actually beginning to believe that my company, Delta Air Lines is actually embarking on (drum roll please) organic growth!!! Wager, Clamp is a 717A within 2 years... |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1585010)
Go easy on T, he can be eloquent as proven a day or so ago in one post...However, I am still waiting for that eloquence to translate into his pushing of the longevity based pay...Which brings us back to your original point...
Does LBP cost the company more money or does it cost us??? And with the keeping of 40 of the 320s, a large number of the 757s and the rumor of widebody growth, how does LGP (now) get mixed into that calculus? Its day in the sun is over IMO, sorry T... Update on the rumor...787s previously ordered by NWA moved to the front of the line, so we are talking 787-8s with further 900s afterward. There are no whitetail -900s AND yes for delivery at the end of this year. SO...Gentlemen, I am actually beginning to believe that my company, Delta Air Lines is actually embarking on (drum roll please) organic growth!!! Wager, Clamp is a 717A within 2 years... Sorry, but that's just way too good to be true! |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1584898)
Here you go 80, Emma Stone.
http://madame.lefigaro.fr/sites/defa...easygirl_0.jpg She looks like a European consortium and just like the A350, most guys think there's a chance. Works. As to the A380... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hC27La1y11...rbammertm6.jpg Once that tide starts rolling it just keeps going and going and going. I'm all about me some Emma Stone (and an upcoming order amirite???). :) I think you nailed the A380, haha. I thought about posting a fat chick, but I figured someone else would be up to the task! |
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