Originally Posted by ATL7ER (Post 1589878)

It's already here and has been for a long time.

SOPA = Vol 1 Section 20 Amplified Procedures. SMAC = Flight Crew Training Manual.

That's all SOPA/SMAC ever was at NWA. The idea of the rigidity of NWA procedures has created this urban legend in the eyes of South pilots as to what SOPA/SMAC was. I still have a copy of my fleet SOPA/SMAC from NWA. It is virtually identical to my DAL Vol 1 Section 20 and my FCTM, right down to the graphics.

Vol 1 has tables that specify CA/FO and PF/PM actions, callouts, responses, etc. THAT is precisely what SOPA was at NWA.

FCTM has amplified discussions of maneuvers including full page graphics of various procedures such as takeoff profiles, engine out profiles, etc. THAT is precisely what SMAC was at NWA.:eek:

Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1590021)

Gotta agree with this.

Don't know where this build-up of the bogey man known as sopa/smac is coming from. Some are talking as if you would be failed for not doing things (switches) in the exact order listed at all times.

Urban legend indeed, and it seems to be coming from people that never participated in nw training or checkrides....

Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1589837)

To add some info to the discussion:

At a former 121 carrier in a past life of mine we indeed had the faa going after some guys for deviating from the script in the fom on the takeoff pa while moving. Violating sterile cockpit.

So yes, they (the faa) have done it.

Looked at one of our VOL I and it clearly states to give the following pa with the script in quotes.

Seems to me a chief line check pilot has nothing to say regarding faa action. If you get the wrong faa type riding in front or back, that is what matters.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1589831)

yall are smart. here is the rule from U.S. FAR 121.542/135.100, "Flight Crewmember Duties"

a) No certificate holder shall require, nor may any flight crewmember perform, any duties during a critical phase of flight except those duties required for the safe operation of the aircraft. Duties such as company required calls made for such nonsafety related purposes as ordering galley supplies and confirming passenger connections, announcements made to passengers promoting the air carrier or pointing out sights of interest, and filling out company payroll and related records are not required for the safe operation of the aircraft.

b) No flight crewmember may engage in, nor may any pilot in command permit, any activity during a critical phase of flight which could distract any flight crewmember from the performance of his or her duties or which could interfere in any way with the proper conduct of those duties. Activities such as eating meals, engaging in nonessential conversations within the cockpit and nonessential communications between the cabin and cockpit crews, and reading publications not related to the proper conduct of the flight are not required for the safe operation of the aircraft.

c) For the purposes of this section, critical phases of flight includes all ground operations involving taxi, takeoff and landing, and all other flight operations conducted below 10,000 feet, except cruise flight.

Note: Taxi is defined as "movement of an airplane under its own power on the surface of an airport".

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1590039)

It was a point of emphasis at my previous carrier as well. This has nothing to do with SOPA/MAC (whatever the hell that is.) It has to do with the interpretation of a rather "gray" FAR.

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1589923)

I bet those will go junior!

GF

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1590024)

I fly with mostly pre merger nw captains, and 100% of them state the opposite of what you're trying to say here. You wouldn't be failed, but you would be debriefed.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1590042)

If you are stopped you can make any PA you want.

Originally Posted by DogWhisperer (Post 1589924)

Just a little something to dream about, tonight…

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Originally Posted by poostain (Post 1589976)

UAL buddy said they call the lax based 787's "the scab wagon"