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He was talking in reference to pre 2012 when flying above ALV was optional, now it's not. I can't figure out how J29 was consistently being flown above ALV in 2010 involuntarily, but I'm sure there is a reason.

That said, see the post I put on your NC thread. If the 88 was/is the tip of the spear on stuff, guys bid RES because it was awesomeness until the number of RESs dropped precipitously and everyone flew their butts off.

It's kind of obvious (or I thought it was) that the company wasn't going to keep paying guys 72-80 hours to fly 0 hours and sit 0 SCs because they were senior reserve.

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forgot to bid

02-18-2014 01:04 PM

Here's one way to look at the whole reserve thing as well...

ALPA: "Hey, we want to return reserve to being seniority based only."

Company: "Nope."

ALPA: "Why?"

Company: "Because if we did that then the junior guys will fly constantly on weekends until they hit ALV and time out, then we won't have anyone to fly the weekends at the end of the month."

ALPA: "You could hire?"

Company: http://www.tigerdroppings.com/images...onrotflmao.gif

ALPA: "Okay, what if we had ALV+15? Then they won't time out."

Company: "You want them to fly more? If we could fly reserves more then we don't need... deal, done, sign here, here and here, seeyabye!"

Not saying that's what happened, just that it might as well have happened that way. ALV+15 was a mistake, at least applying it to domestic if it was intended for international. One size fits all buckets is a mistake as well imho. Oh well.

Retire4X

02-18-2014 01:50 PM

Historical ALVs

Gents,

Need a little help. How can I find historical ALVs? I need numbers for the 88 and 320 back to the merger if possible. I have no idea where to look...:o

Thanks!

buzzpat

02-18-2014 04:28 PM

From the really stupid questions that a Delta guy should know with almost 13 years seniority department.....

What is the difference between DOH and Benefits Start Date? I assumed I'd get a fourth week of vacation this year since I have 12 plus years of seniority. I spoke with the vacation people and my 12 years didn't start until my "Benefit Start Date" which was a year plus later. Help?

Purple Drank

02-18-2014 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1584652)

There's a chart in the contract that spells out exactly when your vacation clock starts ticking. Were you hired after 1 April?

First page of Chapter 7 (I had a similar issue last year). Basically, the caveat is:

"Years of Continuous Employment Completed before April 1"

Not sure about the "benefit start date." Please let me know if you get the answer to that.

GunshipGuy

02-18-2014 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1584652)

I would go by the PWA which says:

1. Each vacation year, a pilot who has been employed by the Company for:
a. more than one year will be entitled to earned vacation and vacation bank hours as follows:

Years of Continuous
Employment Completed
before April 1st of Vacation
Year

1 – 5_____2 weeks
6 – 11____3 weeks
12 – 18___4 weeks

"Employed" is not in the definitions and to me it means when you started indoc.

daldude

02-18-2014 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1584652)

Buzzpat,

Did you bypass at all before or after mil leave?

buzzpat

02-18-2014 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1584658)

Thanks Drank. I was hired June '01, so I'm approaching 13 years. This is the first time I've ever even heard of the "benefit start date." Is that the end of my probation year? The way I read the PWA, it should be 12 years from DOH. Any ideas guys? Or am I just stupid?

cni187

02-18-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1584522)

Sure... I guess. Whether it leaves a vacuum or not can be debated as to whether our filling of that vacuum was lucrative or not. If it were, I am pretty sure this management team would not leave it behind... they seem pretty adept at making money. Since we pilots want more money, better benefits, fewer days work, and more pilots on the property, one could make an argument that driving DAL's costs higher might contribute to pulling out of lower yielding markets. I cannot make that argument any more than you or anybody else on here can make the counter that we lose money by leaving. We just don't have enough information as workerbees. Give you an example. UAL started flying into all our Africa destinations, and lost money on many of them because some markets just won't support 2 or more carriers. So they left, and we started making money again.

NWA was huge in NRT, no doubt. It sucks when something you were a part of goes away. It's just business. It's like selling a house that you KNOW is worth more than the market is offering. We've all been there. Many on here think the cargo operation in ANC was making money. I challenge any of them to PROVE that assertion. Same with NRT. PROVE it with numbers and not conjecture. It killed me that we left KBP, BUD, OTP... etc etc etc... but if they weren't making money, there is no reason to fly there. Unfortunately. Time to move on to where we CAN make money and lots of it.

Ahh Bucharest. I proposed to a stripper there once. She was heading to Tel Aviv the next day. Alas it didn't work out.

buzzpat

02-18-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1584661)

Did you bypass at all before or after mil leave?

I never went on mil leave. I was already retired. I was furloughed and did defer recall for a bit. My DOH was 6/01, furloughed 11/01, recalled in 2007 and came back 2/2008. My "benefits start date" according to the vacation peeps is August of 2002.

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