Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1584280)

Not necessarily, but the 330s have longer legs, and can overfly Japan easily from SEA... What I find amusing is all the love for the 787, when it is absolutely capable of overflying NRT on it's way to points beyond, and would have done it from a lot of places. And then we have guys here that are in high warble over the downsizing of that same NRT hub...

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1584288)

And do you anticipate that being the case this summer?

Care to place a gentleman's wager?

Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1584338)

Just saw this post---most would agree that it's a good thing we didn't get the "A" model of the 787. However, Boeing had to pay us big bucks for the cancellation of the order that they never filled. I asked S.D. in a management-pilot meeting in MEM a two fold question about this:
>Do you know what the $ penalty hit Boeing owes us (Delta) for not fulfilling the 787 order, and
>Can you share that info with us?
His reply was (close paraphrase) 'Yes, we have that number. It is substantial, and No, I can't tell you what it is'.
I suspect that the 787 order cancellation gave us some premium pricing on the 737-900 order, as well as greased the skids WRT the 717s we wrested away from SWA/Air-Tran. Of course, I don't have intimate knowledge of that suspicion, but it seems to stand to reason. Yeah, the 787 would've been a unmitigated mess here for our airline, but it worked out pretty well--it would appear. Not arguing with you, but simply trying to provide context.

Originally Posted by trlaketige (Post 1584381)

I think a lot of the concern over the NRT downsize is the vacuum that it leaves. That vacuum will be filled by low cost Asian carriers and code shares with them. Competition for the remaining Delta flights, and loss of WB jobs for code share's. It is nice to talk of overflights taking up the slack, but we haven't ordered WB aircraft to do the overflights(with the exception of those 10 330's).

Tr

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1584204)

Yup. He decided we needed to lower our CASM to match Value Jet's. Hmm...I wonder where Value Jet got the cheap DC9's to start up in the first place?

Oh, that's right, from Mo'Ron. (actually from the leasing co. Mo'Ron sold them to, he should have kept them like NW did, or made beer cans out of them so no new start up could use them against us)

I skipped over the whole 7.5 thing when typing last night (sorry sir, I was watching Jimmy Fallon!).

By 1993, it was obvious Mo'Ron couldn't figure out -how- to run the airline, even though he'd worked at Delta since College. So he brought in a consulting group to investigate the operation, and give recommendations. The name of that group was McKinsey Associates.

About Us | McKinsey & Company

After a 90 day review, McKinsey's people told him to fire everyone except the pilots and F/A's. A Chief Pilot riding on our jumpseat was coming from the "Big Meeting" with Ron and the rest of flight ops, where he laid out his 7.5 plan. He was very depressed when he told us what was about to go down.

At that meeting, Ron said McK Ass. told him, "You have rampers and cabin cleaners working for you, making $40,000yr, and you are giving them retirement and health care benefits?! (a lot of money in 1993 dollars) Those are Minimum Wage Jobs! Get RID of EVERYONE you can, and hire contractors to do those menial, minimum wage jobs!"

Back then, just about everybody you met on a Delta airplane, worked for Delta. Cabin cleaners, baggage loaders, certainly all the mechanics. If you wanted to work for Delta (other than Pilots and F/A's), you had to start on the ramp or cleaning cabins, and work your way up. BUT...Delta had never laid anyone off. Once you were hired, you were in the Delta Family, for life. You may remember the Delta Employees took up a collection to pay for the first 767? The Spirit of Delta. The reason they did was because in 1981, when the Air Traffic Controllers went on strike, all the other Majors laid of thousands of workers. Delta didn't. As a Thank You, the employees voluntarily contributed money to buy the Spirit of Delta in 1983.

Anyone remember the day Ron walked through the Delta General Offices and fired 20% of the life long, loyal Delta people? After he did this, the AJC did an interview with him about employee moral, in light of the firings. That's when Ron made the infamous quip: "If moral suffers, So Be It!"

McK was a huge fan of, and on the cutting edge of a new business model called;

Outsourcing. :eek:

Guess who worked for McK at the time? Leo Mullen. During McK's investigation of Delta's operations, and subsequent report to the BOD is where Jerry met Leo.

That's why Jerry picked Leo to replace Ron in 1997, when Ron's 10yr. contract was up, and that's when Leo started outsourcing...everything!

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1584404)

Anderson handled the 787 delays wonderfully, however I don't think it as huge of a penalty as you think it is. We got the weight increases on the 737s, and it likely played into the discount of the 739. That was about the extent that one could milk the penalties.

I doubt that it played into anything for the 717. Southwest is literally paying for every part of that process- there are no DL mechanics involved in the conversion process. All DL does is just do the acceptance flights. It is truly astounding how far WN is tripping overthemselves to get rid of something that's not a 737.

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1584490)

I have a sit in ATL next month and I thought I read on here that there was a workout place somewhere at the airport? Where is it? Has any body used it?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 1584498)

Though I've never seen, I was told by a captain who used the gym, that it is below A25 or 27. I can't remember which exactly, but it does exist. He said it was pretty good too.

Originally Posted by trlaketige (Post 1584381)

I think a lot of the concern over the NRT downsize is the vacuum that it leaves. That vacuum will be filled by low cost Asian carriers and code shares with them. Competition for the remaining Delta flights, and loss of WB jobs for code share's. It is nice to talk of overflights taking up the slack, but we haven't ordered WB aircraft to do the overflights(with the exception of those 10 330's).

Tr