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dalad 02-18-2014 06:22 AM

Leadership 7.5 was actually an attempt to match the CASM of Southwest who obviously only had one aircraft type. It led to many loyal FF's to run to AMR and UAL. Also the company initiated a "voluntary" 5% pay cut for pilots and fortunately ALPA won that battle. I was an MD88 FO then and I couldn't believe the number of captain's I flew with that signed up for that. Of course they all had widgets stamped on their foreheads.

Timbo 02-18-2014 06:26 AM

I was a BOS based 76/75 F/O at that time. I went to ATL for recurrent, the IP spent the entire briefing time trying to convince us we needed to give up 5% because, "It's the right thing to do..."

Didn't work for me.

tsquare 02-18-2014 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1582886)
There is a guide on Deltanet that describes it.

Essentially you can buy 12N (Supp. Vac. Days) through the full service bank option 3 in DBMS.

You buy per day at 3:15 each, with a max of 10 days purchased.

If you buy after the primary vacation bid is open, they will be added to the end of your most recently awarded week when you made the request.

If you buy after March bid period starts but before April 1, then you can have them placed at the beginning or end of any week you have bid.

If you buy after April 1, they can only be placed if there is an available week adjacent to the weeks you have been awarded.

And it seems to me that a good way to use this is to bid reserve in a month where you buy vacation days. If you have 1 week in a 72 hour ALV month, you get paid 77:57, and still get 10 X days. If you buy 1 extra day, you get 78:48 and still get 10 X days. You are still only getting the 3:15 that you paid for the vacation day, but you are getting almost an extra hour in the reserve month, and still getting 10 x days off....

Actually, since I can only hold vacation in winter months, when the ALV is low and manning is high, it makes a lot of sense to bid reserve in those months. YMMV

MDPilot 02-18-2014 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1583965)
OK. Did you guys get any back pay?

Scoop :confused:

IIRC, the senior 50 or so of FM2 got back pay ( last to leave,first back). The rest of us got squat.

JungleBus 02-18-2014 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1584204)
Back then, just about everybody you met on a Delta airplane, worked for Delta. Cabin cleaners, baggage loaders, certainly all the mechanics. If you wanted to work for Delta (other than Pilots and F/A's), you had to start on the ramp or cleaning cabins, and work your way up. BUT...Delta had never laid anyone off. Once you were hired, you were in the Delta Family, for life. You may remember the Delta Employees took up a collection to pay for the first 767? The Spirit of Delta. The reason they did was because in 1981, when the Air Traffic Controllers went on strike, all the other Majors laid of thousands of workers. Delta didn't. As a Thank You, the employees voluntarily contributed money to buy the Spirit of Delta in 1983.

Anyone remember the day Ron walked through the Delta General Offices and fired 20% of the life long, loyal Delta people? After he did this, the AJC did an interview with him about employee moral, in light of the firings. That's when Ron made the infamous quip: "If moral suffers, So Be It!"

McK was a huge fan of, and on the cutting edge of a new business model called;

Outsourcing. :eek:

Guess who worked for McK at the time? Leo Mullen. During McK's investigation of Delta's operations, and subsequent report to the BOD is where Jerry met Leo.

That's why Jerry picked Leo to replace Ron in 1997, when Ron's 10yr. contract was up, and that's when Leo started outsourcing...everything!

Thanks for typing this and the other posts up, Timbo. It's fascinating history for DAL newbs like myself, and valuable insight in how DAL went from being that tight-knit family airline of the south to what it is today, for better & worse. Kinda painful to read, actually, knowing the things that changed for the worse in your time there, and how it's kinda a microcosm of capitalism gone amok in the larger US the last 20 years. Hopefully we can help swing things back the other way in the space of my career at DAL, starting with taking advantage of the pilot shortage to return DAL pilots to the front seats of any plane that says Delta on the fuselage.

Alan Shore 02-18-2014 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1583772)
Flying above ALV on reserve is no longer voluntary.

But bidding reserve is, for all those senior pilots that have been doing so since C2012 went into effect. I wonder why...

tsquare 02-18-2014 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 1583350)
For one, Lawson is villified because it was his letter that said that the union at ComAir supported not hiring DAL furloughees unless they resigned their seniority number.

You seem to be defending him, and you are picking the wrong crowd to do that with.

+++++ 717.........

tsquare 02-18-2014 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1583582)


Fixed it for ya. And remember, since it's bigger, it'll pay more for the .1% of the pilot group that gets to fly them.... so we'll have that going for us.

tsquare 02-18-2014 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by n9810f (Post 1584183)
Absolutely perfect plane to overfly Japan from the US. United is way ahead of us on this.

Northwest had the foresight went it ordered the 787 to do much the same. Building A was looking at SEA-SYD and similar routes.

The flaw in Richard's no new modern widebody aka the 787 is the 767-300ER's can't do much of the over-Japan flying, right? That's why we ordered the 10 333's I believe. But that's still not enough. It's a major disadvantage.

Not necessarily, but the 330s have longer legs, and can overfly Japan easily from SEA... What I find amusing is all the love for the 787, when it is absolutely capable of overflying NRT on it's way to points beyond, and would have done it from a lot of places. And then we have guys here that are in high warble over the downsizing of that same NRT hub...

Purple Drank 02-18-2014 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1584257)
But bidding reserve is, for all those senior pilots that have been doing so since C2012 went into effect. I wonder why...

And do you anticipate that being the case this summer?
Care to place a gentleman's wager?


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