Wap, wap, wap, wap, wap......

Ummm, I don't know, are black helicopters stealth as in "no sound?"

Not long ago (2 years ago?) the Vol 1 referred to the PA in question with a suggested example. I like that the current version instructs to say the line they give you. I rarely hear it limited to that when I'm in back. That being said, a little extra to help the FAs know how much time they still have (if they even care) doesn't hurt IMO. But when I hear an elaborate version I can't help but think "I get enough PAs, do you really need to be piling on with more at this point?"

I do a pretty decent "welcome aboard" PA at the gate before push... so no need to repeat the same information again during taxi out. However, I do like to include what number we are for T/O and how long I expect until we will be airborne when I do the Before Takeoff PA. I think this gives the flight attendants some idea of when to expect we will be taking the runway. I don't think this is a violation of sterile cockpit because it is part of a required PA. I do agree that it's somewhat of a gray area... i.e. if the PA gets too wordy and elaborate, it might cross the line of being a non-required PA during taxi which would be a violation of sterile cockpit.

Again, we don't have SOPA/SMAC at Delta. Our manuals and procedures give us the framework in which we operate. And as long as we stay within that framework, we're fine. I don't think we need to be told exactly every word to say verbatim on a PA like that, and I don't think that's the intent of the wording for the Before Takeoff PA in the FOM. The intent is to notify the F/A's that we're about to takeoff and to get notification from them that the cabin is ready. At least that is the way I understand the CLCP on my fleet interprets it.

I hate it when guys stick absolutely to the "script". It shows zero personality towards and interaction with those that pay our salaries. I have said it before, and I'll say it again: it really isn't that hard to be nice, and adding in the flight time and a little about the weather isn't going to kill you. You don't have to go over the whole route of flight, or talk about your quals, but come on guys... Good grief.


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yall are smart. here is the rule from U.S. FAR 121.542/135.100, "Flight Crewmember Duties"

a) No certificate holder shall require, nor may any flight crewmember perform, any duties during a critical phase of flight except those duties required for the safe operation of the aircraft. Duties such as company required calls made for such nonsafety related purposes as ordering galley supplies and confirming passenger connections, announcements made to passengers promoting the air carrier or pointing out sights of interest, and filling out company payroll and related records are not required for the safe operation of the aircraft.

b) No flight crewmember may engage in, nor may any pilot in command permit, any activity during a critical phase of flight which could distract any flight crewmember from the performance of his or her duties or which could interfere in any way with the proper conduct of those duties. Activities such as eating meals, engaging in nonessential conversations within the cockpit and nonessential communications between the cabin and cockpit crews, and reading publications not related to the proper conduct of the flight are not required for the safe operation of the aircraft.

c) For the purposes of this section, critical phases of flight includes all ground operations involving taxi, takeoff and landing, and all other flight operations conducted below 10,000 feet, except cruise flight.

Note: Taxi is defined as "movement of an airplane under its own power on the surface of an airport".

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif

Again, we don't have SOPA/SMAC at Delta.


Note the date and time. tsquare and DAL 88 Driver actually agree on something! :D

To add some info to the discussion:

At a former 121 carrier in a past life of mine we indeed had the faa going after some guys for deviating from the script in the fom on the takeoff pa while moving. Violating sterile cockpit.

So yes, they (the faa) have done it.

Looked at one of our VOL I and it clearly states to give the following pa with the script in quotes.

Seems to me a chief line check pilot has nothing to say regarding faa action. If you get the wrong faa type riding in front or back, that is what matters.

yet . I believe it is coming.

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