Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-04-2014 | 01:58 PM
FlySmarterNotHarder
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UGBSM,
The "brand scope" concept came (I think) from NWA, not Comair or Dan Ford. In any event we should not be competing with separate divisions of our own Company for our flying.
As for competing with other companies, of course, that's capitalism.
While most pilots are union members, up and until recently most pilots had not been union members at their prior occupation. Going forward our new hires will be experienced union members.
In fact, if you look around the Delta MEC offices today, I think it is accurate to say that pilots with union experience from their job before Delta are more active* in representative and administrative positions than those who did not come from a union background.
We can reasonably expect former union members to have a greater interest in, and appreciation for, the representative process than those who came from a background where they were unfamiliar with unions, or had a negative perception of organized labor.
* defined as a percentage compared to the overall demographics of the Delta pilot group.
The "brand scope" concept came (I think) from NWA, not Comair or Dan Ford. In any event we should not be competing with separate divisions of our own Company for our flying.
As for competing with other companies, of course, that's capitalism.
While most pilots are union members, up and until recently most pilots had not been union members at their prior occupation. Going forward our new hires will be experienced union members.
In fact, if you look around the Delta MEC offices today, I think it is accurate to say that pilots with union experience from their job before Delta are more active* in representative and administrative positions than those who did not come from a union background.
We can reasonably expect former union members to have a greater interest in, and appreciation for, the representative process than those who came from a background where they were unfamiliar with unions, or had a negative perception of organized labor.
* defined as a percentage compared to the overall demographics of the Delta pilot group.
But when it comes to my contract at my company, there is our unified MEC and everyone else are barbarians at the gate! Including other "divisions" of "our" company with their own MEC, their own contract, and their own agenda.
If you are not a member of the Delta MEC then you are not a Delta pilot, I don't know how else you can look at it.
03-04-2014 | 02:05 PM
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Except that your statement is a half truth.
Strategically ALPA does control the seniority list. ALPA negotiated scope defines who is a Delta pilot and what Delta flying the Delta seniority list pilots perform. ALPA, as a labor union decides when it will make single carrier petitions to the NMB to seek a single seniority list among carriers.
Yes, the Company hires who they want to. The Company also has equal access to the NMB.
But to illustrate my point, if ALPA has nothing to do with it, why then were we able to leverage unity with the Northwest pilots to improve our pay and working conditions? If ALPA's cooperation was not needed, then why?
The full truth is that ALPA sits on the other side of the table and once a pilot is hired has a great deal of control over how that pilot's work is defined. ALPA was founded specifically to protect seniority and protect pilots from alter ego replacement (which they called out of senioirty) replacement back in the early days.
Strategically ALPA does control the seniority list. ALPA negotiated scope defines who is a Delta pilot and what Delta flying the Delta seniority list pilots perform. ALPA, as a labor union decides when it will make single carrier petitions to the NMB to seek a single seniority list among carriers.
Yes, the Company hires who they want to. The Company also has equal access to the NMB.
But to illustrate my point, if ALPA has nothing to do with it, why then were we able to leverage unity with the Northwest pilots to improve our pay and working conditions? If ALPA's cooperation was not needed, then why?
The full truth is that ALPA sits on the other side of the table and once a pilot is hired has a great deal of control over how that pilot's work is defined. ALPA was founded specifically to protect seniority and protect pilots from alter ego replacement (which they called out of senioirty) replacement back in the early days.
03-04-2014 | 02:07 PM
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Sorry Bar but I disagree. I was furloughed twice after 9/11 and yes I was a mainline pilot who was under constant threats and my job was in jeopardy for 2 years prior to my first furlough. I was watching the outsourcing happen before my eyes. I was looking for jobs and considering career changes but I remained a professional and did my job.
If outsourcing was the cause of accidents mainline jets would have been crashing every week post 9-11.
If outsourcing was the cause of accidents mainline jets would have been crashing every week post 9-11.
this is what I was getting at, caddis is just more eloquent than me. Plus you old mainline farts are always stressed about your medical
03-04-2014 | 02:10 PM
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Why not file a single carrier petition with Endeavor, heck, my paycheck comes from Delta in Atlanta? What's the worst that the NMB could tell us, no?
03-04-2014 | 02:42 PM
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Anybody familiar with the vacation move-up process? I need to move a week next January. I know I can probably slide it on my bid, but I need to get it moved now so I can make some solid plans. I thought I had it figured out and submitted a move-up bid, but haven't seen anything happen.
03-04-2014 | 02:48 PM
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Sorry Bar but I disagree. I was furloughed twice after 9/11 and yes I was a mainline pilot who was under constant threats and my job was in jeopardy for 2 years prior to my first furlough. I was watching the outsourcing happen before my eyes. I was looking for jobs and considering career changes but I remained a professional and did my job.
If outsourcing was the cause of accidents mainline jets would have been crashing every week post 9-11.
If outsourcing was the cause of accidents mainline jets would have been crashing every week post 9-11.
03-04-2014 | 02:59 PM
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Same song second verse.
03-04-2014 | 03:03 PM
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Sorry Bar but I disagree. I was furloughed twice after 9/11 and yes I was a mainline pilot who was under constant threats and my job was in jeopardy for 2 years prior to my first furlough. I was watching the outsourcing happen before my eyes. I was looking for jobs and considering career changes but I remained a professional and did my job.
If outsourcing was the cause of accidents mainline jets would have been crashing every week post 9-11.
If outsourcing was the cause of accidents mainline jets would have been crashing every week post 9-11.
If a pilot's last two words on the CVR are "I'm tired" then fatigue is a pretty good guess for a human factors element. Have you read either of the CVR transcripts cited?
03-04-2014 | 03:08 PM
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But when it comes to my contract at my company, there is our unified MEC and everyone else are barbarians at the gate! Including other "divisions" of "our" company with their own MEC, their own contract, and their own agenda.
If you are not a member of the Delta MEC then you are not a Delta pilot, I don't know how else you can look at it.
If you are not a member of the Delta MEC then you are not a Delta pilot, I don't know how else you can look at it.
Isn't it better to have the express guys in the circle where we can control them (and they are us), than outside the circle where they can try to pick off our flying?
03-04-2014 | 03:21 PM
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