Not True....I make more in year 2 at Delta than year 5 Capt at ASA

When you go to year three on reserve you will be at about 80K a year.

If you fly a lot on the 88 your W-2 will be 95-100K in year three. This does not include your retirement either.

Year 2 on the 88 you can make 70K if you fly to the cap every month. I made 100K my last year flying RJ's as a 5th year guy, not at ASA, so maybe the ASA guys can't make more than 70K on 5 year pay. You can't make 100K on the 88 flying the cap every month until year 4. You'll never make 100K if you fly 65 hours per month, the most you can make is 78K flying the minimum on 12 year pay. The other aircraft are probably better, but I haven't run the numbers on those, I'm sure you could do 100K in year 2 on the ER. As far as the 88 goes, all the FO's are paid about what an RJ captain is paid. I'm not complaining here, just trying to let an RJ guy know that it will take him a few years to make that good living he was referring to.

Here's my idea for JFK in a form we understand,

1. Start Idea
2. Close the horseshow to cars, build a airy multiple story complex above it for food court, club, David Letterman's secret bedroom, etc.,
3. Forget 2,
4. Close horseshoe to car traffic, put a big airy roof over it, knock the walls out and give the terminal some badly needed breathing room, else start next,
5. Expand Terminal 3 check in inside the flying saucer,
6. Move Terminal 3 security to another closet,
7. Knock down that whole DCI apparatus off terminal 2 and allow M to be the exit point and LA the entry,
8. Spend some coin and secure all of the Terminal 4 gates on KK,
9. Expand the terminal at gate 8 out to the grass and make that and the hard stand ramp DCI territory because its so close to K,
10. Figure out how to make cellphones work in the darn place,
11. Start Plan B
12. Burn the place down and collect on the insurance money.

Just some personal obervations. c

Man you must have been flying to make $100K in year 5! :eek:

When I left my regional at year 6 I was at $64 per hour as a E145 CA, so at $72 per hour in year 2 at DAL I'm ahead. If I was at said regional now I'd make $72 at year 6, so I'd break-even. But in another sense, I seriously hardly seem to work even when I am at work and still make more money then when I worked for an airline who managed to work me to death. I mean said airline figured out how to make a majority of its lines, to the nations most unaffordable hub, as uncommutable as possible on both sides with min guarentee and 11 days off. But if you bid in the top 7% you could get 13 days off and half commutable trips.

But to the point, for someone like CRJ200, I hope we hire soon but the honest truth is its all dependent on outside forces. As to the comparison between regional and mainline pay, it has honestly been slaughtered to death, like a puppy in Mike Vick's house, on this thread to date. :(
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So here is a dumb question of the day, if AirTran jumps to the C-Series and we don't, should be buy their 717s? We like reliable cars around here, not new ones, just reliable ones. :D

Did the PBS support staff help you with this one.

Reasons Report:
Unstacked.

Result:
No change.

I was in year 11 pay at my regional making a 95 hr guarantee. I was bringing home about 5K a month after my 8% 401K contribution. Here in year three I am bringing home 4,800-8,000 a month and that does not include my DC and 401K contributions. Point is that DAL pay is much better to even a LCA salary. Yes, there are some at DCI that bring in 120K a year, but they are in the top 10% and flying 1000 a year and crediting 1200 hrs a year. Most pilots I know at ASA are making about 85K a year working about 90 hrs a month.


On the aircraft issue, we will look at all options. I expect to see DAL make a decision on this as the market forces will dictate that they will need to.

You guys are all giddy about these frikkin ridiculous M88 rates.

Pre-paycut Delta, year five, holding 767-400B, $165/hr.

Do Not, I Repeat, Do Not let stockholm syndrome set in.

I think they are just comparing to what they made at a regional.... I'm currently at 96 an hour.... would have been 150 an hour under contract 2000. Ugh.

Trust me, I know where they were. I have a C2K contract on my desk and look at it quite often.


Further more, the point of comparing the two is that even under a 1113C era PWA it is light years better than DCI. In effect do not get lulled in to DCI for a career, because even under the worst contract here, life is still better. People are not peeing in their pants over the wages, they are just stating that it is still better than that of the regionals.
I for one like second year 88b pay at 116 an hr.