Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 691150)

I think the odds are good we will get back there, probably not in one contract cycle, but maybe two depending on what the economy is like when we hit the amendable dates. I'm thinking if we got SWA rates +10% for the 800, all narrowbodies paid at that same rate, all widebodies indexed to that based on seat numbers, and an annual raise that equaled the rate of inflation (including energy costs), I'd be happy. That would put a 10 year narrowbody FO at $140/hr and a 12 year CA at $218/hr. I'm not sure how that compares to the 737 rates from C2K.

Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 691149)

FOQA (Flight Operation Quality Assurance) is a data mining program, that allows a download of numerous flight and mechanical parameters. With analysis the operator can view trends, eg stabalized approaches, flap deployment, etc. Let say on a tail strike...what was the thrust, speed, configuration, yoke or stick position; with that info you could get a better idea as to what possibly caused the incident.

The program is part of a comprehensive safety program; along with asap the combination becomes a powerful safety and training tool which will improve training and safety.

Its an incredible program that will help the company become safer and more efficent. My explanation is probably an oversimplification but from my perspective..currently the best tool for safety.

Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 691146)

Aren't you on the on the -9?

Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 691149)

FOQA (Flight Operation Quality Assurance) is a data mining program, that allows a download of numerous flight and mechanical parameters. With analysis the operator can view trends, eg stabalized approaches, flap deployment, etc. Let say on a tail strike...what was the thrust, speed, configuration, yoke or stick position; with that info you could get a better idea as to what possibly caused the incident.

The program is part of a comprehensive safety program; along with asap the combination becomes a powerful safety and training tool which will improve training and safety.

Its an incredible program that will help the company become safer and more efficent. My explanation is probably an oversimplification but from my perspective..currently the best tool for safety.

Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 691176)

Yup, watch for procedures to start looking more like FNWA ;)

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 691222)

I believe DL had FOQA in the past... this is just the reinstatement. I think.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 691150)

I think the odds are good we will get back there, probably not in one contract cycle, but maybe two depending on what the economy is like when we hit the amendable dates. I'm thinking if we got SWA rates +10% for the 800, all narrowbodies paid at that same rate, all widebodies indexed to that based on seat numbers, and an annual raise that equaled the rate of inflation (including energy costs), I'd be happy. That would put a 10 year narrowbody FO at $140/hr and a 12 year CA at $218/hr. I'm not sure how that compares to the 737 rates from C2K.

Originally Posted by S3toHerk (Post 691276)

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I've heard that UPS pays the same rate for all it's airplanes. I would think that would eliminate a lot of training because there would be no financial incentive to switch airplanes. Those savings could be passed along to us as pay.

I'm sure the "the more passengers the more the pay" momentum would be a difficult mindset to change.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 691298)

The theory being that all of the above increased the company's profit, and the pilots should share in that profit. That was the genesis of the byzantine pay formula we have today. Ever look at Chapter 3? Rube Goldberg would be proud.

I have always been a strong proponent of the KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid. I felt UPS had it right on a philosophical level from day one of my airline career. I would just like to see the 12 year cap removed or some sort of COLA added to it.