What is childish is your branding of the meeting as being 'obviously packed.' Is that anything like: "It's a known fact?"

All you're doing is diminishing anyone who argues against the current administration. When nobody shows up, you say: "See...everyone agrees with us." When a ton of folks show up to speak against you, you say: "See...it's just a rent-a-mob...proof that everyone agrees with us."

You must be part of this union leadership because you are petty, arrogant, dismissive and absent of the facts.

Carl

Most of the heavy hitters don't belong to 44. Moak is 66. Van Sickle is 55. Roberts is 44. Hesselbein is 1. All 4 are commuters. The pilot director is SLC based and lives in SEA. The transition coordinator lives in Jax. Comm lives in CVG. The Negotiating Committee lives in CVG, TPA, CLE, and ATL. Only one of the two EA's lives in ATL.

As far as committee chairmen, my guess is they're about in proportion to the rest of the pilot group. R&I, scheduling, training, and membership all are ATL and are in the office regularly. Most others commute, as do many of the volunteers working for the committee structure.

FWIW.

You raise a very provocative point Scoop. My concern is that there is no difference between our current union leadership and management. At least with regard to scope, I see line pilots on one side of the table - with management and our MEC on the other side. Our guys seem to be looking out for an eventual invitation to the board room someday. I've seen it before, and I am seeing it again.

Carl

Then you need to have your vision checked, Captain!:D

and to be clear, I really appreciate their service and their right to vote as they decide is best.

I also understand, when we see Republic's really bad E190 rates, why they fear our entering into the fray of "small jet" flying. IMHO the alternative is worse, but they fear negotiating capital will be diverted to payroll creep in some future follow on contract (ie Express).

Maybe this could be addressed with education showing based on capacity and capability that the BIG jets are underpaid and our union is not going to sell out the senior guys to reclaim the scope (the seniors sold). I'm all for the senior guys making money. After all, I plan to be one someday.

I second that!

Teach and Alfa are both right. Teach's points were correct. A resolution was passed using the established democratic rules and is therefore binding. You did say it kinda snippy though.

As for Alfa, ignore his attitude and listen to yourself. Packed meetings is what democracy is all about. Every election hinges on voter turnout. If only 25% of the eligible pilots voted for rep would it not be a valid election? Would the current rep just say, "I represent the whole council, not just that vocal minority" and not accept the results?

I support you guys but some times you are so tone deaf. :-)

Bar good points as always. Whether you agree with your reps or not, they are working for us, which all of us prove is a thankless job. You are always going to irk someone.

I do not think that the senior guys need to take it in the shorts for this recapture. The rates are on the books, and if the MEC and DAL are being honest, RJET has upset them with their recent actions. RJET's recent actions should further solidify that we are better served by mainline and insourced labor performing the work. All of this outsourcing both large and small opens the business up to a lot of vulnerabilities. RJET just proved that.

We better wake up and realize the Alaska may be next. Code shares are good, but not as a major part of your operation.

Who is they? ;)

You know, they. As in Them. As in "one of them". :-)