Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-23-2014 | 08:34 PM
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That is absolutely disgusting. I can't believe this was pushed without MEMRAT sneaking by with one vote. This was an opportunity to significantly increase long call and instead we only increased it an hour...and then gave that up?
Seriously?
And for what? To undo the split duty part that we apparently wanted?
Wow. We got played.
Seriously?
And for what? To undo the split duty part that we apparently wanted?
Wow. We got played.
Carl
05-23-2014 | 08:43 PM
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I'd put all my money down that they were proposed to solve the 30 hour layover issue. Reading between the lines, the cost difference of the LOA was 40 million with, and 38 million without... so the SDPs were actually projected to pay us more overall and cost the company a bit more.
They really should have tried to get a better profile of the pilot group before throwing those things into the contract. I'd like to know who the MEC person was that has fond memories of "illegals" that planted that in the NC's head to pursue. I'd love to see how many emails and calls were made that made enough impact to send it back to process.
It wasn't pretty, but the final product did turn out good.
They really should have tried to get a better profile of the pilot group before throwing those things into the contract. I'd like to know who the MEC person was that has fond memories of "illegals" that planted that in the NC's head to pursue. I'd love to see how many emails and calls were made that made enough impact to send it back to process.
It wasn't pretty, but the final product did turn out good.
As I said earlier, the CDOs don't and probably wont affect me, but once you see them on paper, with how little rest...I had to take a stand against them for the greater good.
I told my rep yes to memrat. Once the CDOs were removed, it was less/not important to me, but I think it should have been memory ratted. It is a pretty significant TA. I was fine with status quo, so I personally was in no hurry.
05-23-2014 | 08:48 PM
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I agree the final product is generally solid. It would be really interesting to know how many emails the reps were flailing with. Mine answered me- which was a surprise-after the fact.
As I said earlier, the CDOs don't and probably wont affect me, but once you see them on paper, with how little rest...I had to take a stand against them for the greater good.
I told my rep yes to memrat. Once the CDOs were removed, it was less/not important to me, but I think it should have been memory ratted. It is a pretty significant TA. I was fine with status quo, so I personally was in no hurry.
As I said earlier, the CDOs don't and probably wont affect me, but once you see them on paper, with how little rest...I had to take a stand against them for the greater good.
I told my rep yes to memrat. Once the CDOs were removed, it was less/not important to me, but I think it should have been memory ratted. It is a pretty significant TA. I was fine with status quo, so I personally was in no hurry.
That being said... perhaps some resolutions in the future to require any scheduling section changes are automatically sent to memory rat are in order. UA has that... I don't disagree with it. Most arguing for memory rat in this case are standing by their principles instead of the logical conclusion that the revised LOA would have certainly passed. Nothing wrong with that. The union doesn't have to spend a million bucks to do every vote for sure.
05-23-2014 | 08:58 PM
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05-23-2014 | 08:59 PM
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05-23-2014 | 09:04 PM
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If you can handle the circadian aspect, they are very efficient and pay well.
Hmm... Strictly voluntary split duty periods?
05-23-2014 | 09:25 PM
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Is the latter worth letting the camel in? Perhaps... My initial threshold was that it should be limited enough to where only the people that wanted to do them could do them.
05-23-2014 | 09:48 PM
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05-23-2014 | 09:52 PM
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For insomniacs, very cool meteor shower tonight. May wake the kids about 3:20 in North America.
We will pass through an old debris trail from 209P/LINEAR tonight and tommorrow. This one will look like a hyperspace leap towards the North Pole because of the angle of the collision. Should be a good show with 100 to 400 meteors per hour which are larger than typical.
We will pass through an old debris trail from 209P/LINEAR tonight and tommorrow. This one will look like a hyperspace leap towards the North Pole because of the angle of the collision. Should be a good show with 100 to 400 meteors per hour which are larger than typical.
So at least I have something to look forward to on my San Juan late late nighter.... Thanks. Seriously.
05-23-2014 | 09:55 PM
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First...as I mentioned a while back, I am fortunate that I didn't need the loan. Someone else might.
How does you mocking their situations foster "unity?" Pretty low class, really. For that matter, how does you playing the north/south card promote unity?
Let's look at this whole process from management's perspective.
Today, they had a hotwash with their union buster to critique the test run of their C15 strategy. It's called "Divide and Conquer."
Here's how it works:
- the union buster writes a memo that totally ignores the contract. SD signs it.
- DALPA hems, haws and fails to provide decisive leadership, implicitly condoning the memo
- the company takes hostages by monetarily and psychologically penalizing those who stand up for the contract
- DALPA doesn't do jack **** to assist the hostages
- the guys who step up despise DALPA for a lack of backbone
- guys who aren't personally affected see DALPA rolling over; disunity ensues
- several months or years later, DALPA produces an inadequate TA and MD writes a "victory lap" memo
- yada yada yada (the closest description I can manage to describe what just happened)
- we get our asses handed to us a la C12
Bar, you preach "unity" but blindly fail to recognize that DALPA's actions (or inactions) are largely at fault.
How does you mocking their situations foster "unity?" Pretty low class, really. For that matter, how does you playing the north/south card promote unity?
Let's look at this whole process from management's perspective.
Today, they had a hotwash with their union buster to critique the test run of their C15 strategy. It's called "Divide and Conquer."
Here's how it works:
- the union buster writes a memo that totally ignores the contract. SD signs it.
- DALPA hems, haws and fails to provide decisive leadership, implicitly condoning the memo
- the company takes hostages by monetarily and psychologically penalizing those who stand up for the contract
- DALPA doesn't do jack **** to assist the hostages
- the guys who step up despise DALPA for a lack of backbone
- guys who aren't personally affected see DALPA rolling over; disunity ensues
- several months or years later, DALPA produces an inadequate TA and MD writes a "victory lap" memo
- yada yada yada (the closest description I can manage to describe what just happened)
- we get our asses handed to us a la C12
Bar, you preach "unity" but blindly fail to recognize that DALPA's actions (or inactions) are largely at fault.
Dude, seriously. Stop digging.
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