Hey 3bil...almost as productive as you claiming c12 increased pilot costs by $3 billion.

You may want to take another extended break or get a new screen name.
Cheers

Sorry PD. You still can't prove me wrong. What's sad, is that you think you have simply because you pointed out a typo. When you can prove that C2012 didn't add $268 million day 1 and ONE billion(I'll type out the number so you aren't confused) over the duration of the contract then maybe I'll give some credence to your posts. Until then, I'll get nothing more from them then the childish, emotional, nonsensical drivel that they are.

Can't drive me away PD. Have a good day.

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07-21-2014 | 11:57 AM

#163432

johnso29

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From: B757/767

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsquare

You expect different from him?

What I can't understand is how a guy who was here for none of the tribulations is so entitled to "restoration".

No. Probably PD posting under a different name. The post matches his style, or lack thereof more appropriately.

07-21-2014 | 12:26 PM

#163433

Bucking Bar

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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesabah

The Jumbo RJ's would be amazing to fly under the mainline contract. In fact, RJ captain would go quite senior if it were on your list. The planes are very easy to fly, it's also nice, to fly to a destination where the airport isn't big enough to have jet bridges. For those that flew the old RJ's, like the 200, those planes are no where near the quality that the new 700/900's are.

That is true.

For the few of us who got into this profession because we really enjoy flying, the fact a 737-900 is the latest and greatest at Delta Air Lines soul crushing.

07-21-2014 | 12:34 PM

#163434

Ferd149

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From: LAX ERA

Off to a layover in a secret undisclosed location....you boyz be good.

07-21-2014 | 01:07 PM

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sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

That is true.

For the few of us who got into this profession because we really enjoy flying, the fact a 737-900 is the latest and greatest at Delta Air Lines soul crushing.

Aircraft seat and position always track pay. We heard from management how senior Delta Express would go for Caltains. Never happened. Guys say they will bid a seat to be a captain but when the time comes they chase the money and schedule.

07-21-2014 | 01:19 PM

#163436

Bucking Bar

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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

What is the theory on the 717 going senior to the MD88, or the 320 senior to the 737 ?

07-21-2014 | 01:27 PM

#163437

Hillbilly

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From: 7ERA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

What is the theory on the 717 going senior to the MD88, or the 320 senior to the 737 ?

Not sure about the 320, but the 717 went senior initially because of Crew Resources letting everyone know before the first bid that you would be getting the summer off with no planes to fly. By the time all of the 717s are here, I expect the seniority of that seat to fall right in line.

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07-21-2014 | 01:39 PM

#163438

Carl Spackler

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From: 747-400 Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Carl;

You know better. It had nothing to do with "didn't want."

This is troubling since I know you know better. DALPA was asked by its members why they omitted our JV competitors in the contract comparisons leading up to C2012. ALPA had that pay data. ALPA said they did not want to publish it. They said their reason was that they were asked not to...while not producing any evidence of such communication. I found Air France's pay data in one minute and posted it here. It had everything to do with "didn't want." ALPA had the data, but didn't want to put it in the contract comparisons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

I am sure your consulting business does business in Europe and you have some working knowledge of the EU laws, and because of this, you know that their collective agreements are not public record like ours. I am sure you also know what the France tax rate is on the AF pilots and what their social benefits are in retirement.

ALPA had the data. So did I. I published it here, ALPA wouldn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

All of this said, you also know that DALPA would have loved to get that information out, but for the AF pilots to disclose any of it, it had to be agreed upon that we would not detail it in a contract history or comparison.

Read above and you'll this statement of yours is completely false. And since you're a current rep, that troubles me. I would have hoped as a current rep you would be fighting hard for an open and completely transparent contract comparison. Instead, you're here now setting us up for why we will yet again NOT see our JV competitors' contract details in our contract comparisons...even though ALPA has the data.

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

The simple fact is when looking at total W-2, v take home pay, v negotiated benefits, v their socialized benefits in retirement, and then comparing theirs to ours, there are area we are better in and areas they are better in. I would not classify us as equals but the differences are noted.

We don't know if that's a fact acl. It's clearly you're opinion, but please don't confuse your personal opinions with fact.

Carl

07-21-2014 | 01:47 PM

#163439

Carl Spackler

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From: 747-400 Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

That position is populism. The PWA wrt to the JV does not have noncompliance yet.

Look acl, you simply have to correct this. I know there are some daisies here who hate it when I come after you the way I would like to right now, so I'll hold back.

Our JV is out of balance RIGHT NOW. Has been since March. We're now in the correction period, yet you and the rest of DALPA has been dead silent. Those are actual facts, and I KNOW you know it. So why did you say what you said above?

Carl