Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1653311)

Yeah,left off the smiley and winkey things. Plus you know, the whole concept of blanket party by forloughees is a joke concept. ;)
Sorry Frank and gloopy... Small phone, many beers, bad punchline delivery. :)

I did get a good laugh Frank casually threw down "here I am biatch come visit" -- wish I was in town I'd stop by with some beers.

It's just so hard to review typing for autocorrect and humor tone in this half inch of screen. My bad on the joke delivery.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1653253)

I said we should start all new hires at the highest pay rate (TVM!:D) and then go backwards from there, i.e. less pay every year, until you're working for free the last 5 years:eek:.

That way, most guys would retire early rather than fly for free! ;)

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1653207)

What is advancement? You have a pulse, survive another year and get a payraise. Advancing to what? A "bigger" airplane? I am better than halfway up the seniority list at DAL, and there are a TON of guys ahead of me on the M88. There are quite a few on the 717. Not everybody wants to fly the 777 or 747. Not everybody wants to fly international. I sure as hell don't want to "fly" an Airbus. And I'll GUARANTEE you that if we went to longevity pay the most senior airplane would be the 737 in ATL. Guarantee it. QOL baby. Why does it have to be sacrificed for pay?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1653356)

The ending is the best place to begin ... Die first, get it out of the way! Live life in reverse!

Then enjoy your retirement, travel, do what you love. Then you decide to give something back, so you decide to work. The first day is great! You get a gold watch and the money's terrific! After a while you want to get more in touch, so you get a service level job. Maybe working at a summer camp as the pinnacle of your career. But it is wisdom you are after ... so you go to College, where you do enough drugs to be ready for high school. As you go through your education you are learning simpler and simpler things until you reach a Zen like realization where anything worth speaking somehow can't be spoken. So you stop talking. You start taking yourself a lot lighter and you are a lot lighter, like a baby. Then when you decide to escape this mortal coil you leave as a glint in someone's eye.

Start with the Ending, it's the best place to begin!

(what I can remember to David Wilcox's intro to "Start With the Ending" )

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1653041)

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Well, just for that, I'm going to disagree with your agreement! :)



Actually, C2102 had polling and MEMRAT. I do agree that there is always a heavy push to sell the final product, but it's impossible to deny that the pilots voted for C21012. Some people have a huge heartburn seeing that we voted for it at almost a 2:1 ratio yes:no, so e blame sales-jobs, the union, etc.

Truth is, we get what we deserve. We don't show up at meetings , we don't call our reps, we don't usually know the contract, we don't vote in new blood, we don't demand term limits. And come to think of it, we might be screwed if we had term limits anyway, because we also don't volunteer anyhow. So the same few guys end up doing all the jobs, and cycle from one to the next. I'm guessing ALPA is 1/3 really good guys serving us thanklessly as lifers, 1/3 entrenched self-serving lifers you couldn't scrape off, and 1/3 coming through, get slammed by whiny pilots that never show up at meetings, never call, don't usually know the contract, and don't vote. But they sure take the liberty of accusing the reps of every sort of misdeed in the world.

Would you want to be a rep? I sure don't.

We're like a lazy family where everyone has a license, but no one ever wants to drive or read a map, and we act all surprised when uncle Alfred ends up running out of gas in the middle of the night, when he's the only one with his eyes open. When he asks questions everyone tells him to shut up and get us some fast food,, and when he doesn't ask questions, we get upset because he got us Whoppers at the drive-through, and we wanted McDonalds.

Failing to supervise: that's how you end up with guys who ran on communications and good representation so far off the reservation.

I think the reps really thought they had our back, and were delivering a good product. They misread us. That's what happens when you let them run around unsupervised, with a bunch of power we've long ago relinquished: they get it wrong.

It's easy to blame them for all of it, maybe a little too easy.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1653207)

What is advancement? ...if we went to longevity pay the most senior airplane would be the 737 in ATL. Guarantee it. QOL baby.

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1653400)

My main worry would be that, given no financial incentive to bid a different airplane, our seniority list would gradually move to a state where each of us tries to be as senior in a category as possible. The end state could well be that it takes years to get off of reserve on any airplane.

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1653400)

My main worry would be that, given no financial incentive to bid a different airplane, our seniority list would gradually move to a state where each of us tries to be as senior in a category as possible. The end state could well be that it takes years to get off of reserve on any airplane.

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1653400)

My main worry would be that, given no financial incentive to bid a different airplane, our seniority list would gradually move to a state where each of us tries to be as senior in a category as possible. The end state could well be that it takes years to get off of reserve on any airplane.