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Old 06-02-2014 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Oh yeah, DALPA doesn't control who Delta hires, just as long as they are a card carrying member.

Come on sailing, none of this would be possible if Bendover wasn't ALPA.

Also, all these commitments with big D are null and void if we vote ALPA out at 9E
Doesn't Delta fully own Endeavor?
Old 06-02-2014 | 06:55 AM
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Bombardier, already facing an 18-24 month delay for its CSeries, may face another delay, some fear, following Friday’s reported uncontained engine failure of the Pratt & Whitney P1500G Geared Turbo Fan engine.
So much for Tech Op's "lots of confidence in that gearbox..."
Old 06-02-2014 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Since when did unions take over hiring at Delta. I think the program sucks but management decides who they hire and controls the seniority list. I doubt they will hand hiring over to DALPA.
Sailing,

ALPA'S role will be the special working group of DCI Carriers who are in DC talking to the Advisory and Regulatory side of the FAA for a special carve out with Delta management. Yeah, and seeing as how this is "Delta flying" I do believe our MEC has a role to play (even if they try to avoid involvement).

ALPA PAC is important. There is no direct connection, but if (and I mean if, because it is not yet confirmed) that ALPA is lobbying to lower standards to facilitate outsourcing then this disturbs me.

Further, ALPA should be against this flow that abrogates seniority and results in Delta's new hires being trained by rejected SSP guys. This is Delta flying and it should be performed by Delta pilots.

However, this scheme will fail. We will be looking at plan B soon enough.
Old 06-02-2014 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Since when did unions take over hiring at Delta. I think the program sucks but management decides who they hire and controls the seniority list. I doubt they will hand hiring over to DALPA.
They don't, but at other properties in the past, flow throughs have been at least partially been negotiated by ALPA as part of section 1 Scope protections, specifically flow backs.

I guess the Co. didn't see the need to exercise the highly vaunted engagement on this. Or maybe it's just a one way-street
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Doesn't Delta fully own Endeavor?
Yes. ... and it should be apparent to anyone with a drop of true blue labor blood in their body that these are Delta pilots from day 1.

Remember the slogan "being owned by Delta means everything. " Or at least maybe unless you strike for better wages ....
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
Do you think this new program will help stop or slow the bleeding though?
I don't know. I'd like to hear a young regional guy's thoughts on that. Or a recent grad deciding whether his upcoming $100k education loans should be used in a flight program or at med school. It would affect my thought process in those shoes.
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Yes. ... and it should be apparent to anyone with a drop of true blue labor blood in their body that these are Delta pilots from day 1.

Remember the slogan "being owned by Delta means everything. " Or at least maybe unless you strike for better wages ....
It is a B-Scale.
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So I guess DAL doesn't care if they leave en masse for UAL/AAL/JBLU/SWA?

Interesting tack I must admit.
Let see:

DAL interviews these pilots, vets them and them holds them out for five years.

UAL and AMR know they are vetted by DAL, and starts picking them off in year two and three.

Brilliant.

Best way to do this whole thing is with DCI as part of mainline. Seniority, longevity day one, where you can attract the best and retain them because there will be a clear career path. AMR and UAL will not be able to poach a pilot that has a DAL number. If DAL really wants to solve this staffing issue that is leading to cancelations, and hurting their bottom line, they need to work a solution with DALPA that returns this flying to mainline and allow DALPA to bargain for it.

On the surface it may appear more expensive to DAL, but few summers of network issues due to lack of crew will more than make up the increased labor costs.

This ideas sounds good, but in reality others will poach them, and I would too. Also five years is a joke. "reliability requirement?" I assume that is sick leave usage.

We do not need to get in to a military v civilian debate. There are plenty of military pilots at the regionals too. Pilots that want to come to the mainline but wanted airline experience. We need an industry solution, not a civilian or military solution. This is about fixing DAL network and staffing issues, and the pilots having a career path that does not reset at some point in the middle of it. This program does not do that.
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
It is a B-Scale.
It is worse because of:
Loss of longevity
Promise of employment ... a promise which management has a terrible track record of keeping
No job security ... company can furlough Delta pilots while hiring at Endeavor
Union has compete with itself against other pilots in the Delta system
Junior FO'S have better seniority rights than senior Captains
Pilots are trading empty promises for money and holding company's costs down with a corporate shell game
QOL issues. Pilots can not bid equipment or bases within the divided system
Extra expense - separate certificates require redundant management structures and each Certificate is in fact another fleet type under the regulations with different mechanics and crews.
In efficient - airplanes are constrained to arbitrary scope limits rather than their Certified capabilities.

That's just off the top if my head on my phone in the tag office.
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:12 AM
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I am starting to think airshows are not for me, as we lost another one this weekend.

RIP, Bill Cowden, MSP 7ER. While I didn't know him, I know a few of his friends, and they are devastated.

UPDATE: Police identify pilot killed in plane crash - WAOW - Newsline 9, Wausau News, Weather, Sports
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