Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-12-2014 | 09:25 AM
Sho me da money!
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You do realize that many frequent posters on hear post on smart phones, while on the van, etc. I am sure that most of the posters on hear have made similar mistakes - I know I have. 
I care more about how Sailing defines "efficiency" as a Pilot group.
Why does block hours flown trump revenue produced?
Just as a 777 gives us a revenue advantage per Pilot the multiple fleets gives us a block hour disadvantage per Pilot.
If DALPA has to explain our inefficiency block hour wise before the NMB why doesn't the company have to address the revenue advantage that we produce?
We as a Pilot group must not accept this inefficiency argument as valid and counter it whenever it comes up.
Sailing is correct in that it will be one of managements main arguments for C-15. I have heard concerns about both block hours flown, and sick leave used at different times from DAL leadership personnel. This leads me to believe there is some kind of top down push regarding these issues.
There are many ways to define efficiency as a Pilot group - block hours flown is only one and in my opinion not as important as revenue produced per Pilot.
Scoop
I care more about how Sailing defines "efficiency" as a Pilot group.
Why does block hours flown trump revenue produced?
Just as a 777 gives us a revenue advantage per Pilot the multiple fleets gives us a block hour disadvantage per Pilot.
If DALPA has to explain our inefficiency block hour wise before the NMB why doesn't the company have to address the revenue advantage that we produce?
We as a Pilot group must not accept this inefficiency argument as valid and counter it whenever it comes up.
Sailing is correct in that it will be one of managements main arguments for C-15. I have heard concerns about both block hours flown, and sick leave used at different times from DAL leadership personnel. This leads me to believe there is some kind of top down push regarding these issues.
There are many ways to define efficiency as a Pilot group - block hours flown is only one and in my opinion not as important as revenue produced per Pilot.
Scoop
Not sure about T's grammer but eye understand most don't half half the insight then he do!
06-12-2014 | 09:51 AM
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In 2012, we were fully merged. Done.
In 2012, Parker was the head of Us Airways and someone else was the head of American Airlines. They were completely separate. I'm not sure what SWA and Air Tran are doing right now, but I still see Air Tran flights whenever I'm in Atlanta. I believe they are still operating separately, too.
You admit that they latest full year data you have is from 2012 and claim that, besides Hawaiian, we are the least efficient. But, in 2012 the airline landscape was completely different than it is now. American had furloughs on the street and hadn't even announced a plan to merge with US Airways.
It's not the same American, it won't be the same Southwest, and I won't even get into what I'm hearing has been going on over at United.
So, I guess I'm asking, how is it that you are comparing our efficiency with airlines that are completely different than what they were in 2012?
I believe whatever data you are using to make that claim is obsolete.
In 2012, Parker was the head of Us Airways and someone else was the head of American Airlines. They were completely separate. I'm not sure what SWA and Air Tran are doing right now, but I still see Air Tran flights whenever I'm in Atlanta. I believe they are still operating separately, too.
You admit that they latest full year data you have is from 2012 and claim that, besides Hawaiian, we are the least efficient. But, in 2012 the airline landscape was completely different than it is now. American had furloughs on the street and hadn't even announced a plan to merge with US Airways.
It's not the same American, it won't be the same Southwest, and I won't even get into what I'm hearing has been going on over at United.
So, I guess I'm asking, how is it that you are comparing our efficiency with airlines that are completely different than what they were in 2012?
I believe whatever data you are using to make that claim is obsolete.
06-12-2014 | 10:27 AM
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But...be careful what you ask for, if they ever decided to streamline the fleets, down to say, one type narrow body (A319,320,321 family) and one wide body (A330's) they could get rid of 25% of us and still fly today's schedule, and you'd only have to go through one new school in your career. Think of all the money they could save just on spare parts alone, not to mention all the DH'ing we wouldn't be doing any more.
"Inefficient" pilots means more pilot jobs.
But who's idea was it to operate all those different fleets?
Not the Pilots!
Management made "Inefficient" fleet choices, not us.
If we are not efficient, it's their fault, not ours. They created their own efficiency problems, now they expect us to fix it for them...??
But, given the last two airplane orders (A321's/A330's) it looks like Richard is moving to make the fleet more efficient going forward, replacing 757/767's with Aribii. I doubt we'll see any more new Boeings ordered. 10 years from now, we could be down to two or three (Airbus) fleets.
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06-12-2014 | 10:29 AM
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I guess the question I'm asking is: How do you know the other airlines are more efficient now (in 2014) when the data you are basing it on is from 2012 when the airlines were completely different then?
06-12-2014 | 10:47 AM
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I believe myopic would be your stance that this way is the way it's always going to be. Some of us have 30-35 years left. We have strives to make at US/AA. This career has had troubled years. How have you not matched SWA's heavy lifting of the 737 pay rates? They have had you substantially blown out of the water on those scales for years. Isn't that where your rates should start? We are all in this together. Hopefully we can help raise the bar in the future. I appreciate the bar lifting you have accomplished.
I actually think you and I agree on this subject, and I apologize if my last post came over as a little arrogant. It wasn't my intent. However, SWA has never done any heavy lifting. If you have 30+ years left, you need to do a little research on that. They have taken small incremental pay increases for at least the last 20 years, and everybody else fell back to them. I remember when they signed a multi year contract back in the 90s, and everybody was wondering what they were thinking. Their 3 and 4%/year increases have been far more valuable over the years than our 12.5% increase in the last contract.... but we are getting there.
06-12-2014 | 10:59 AM
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I was referring to sailing's ongoing butchering of the English language, not T's.
T has other problems, but he can at least write and spell correctly. And you have to give him credit. He went to Tennessee!
You're circling your wagons around the wrong amigo.
06-12-2014 | 11:35 AM
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The other airlines were still fully separate with much less complex fleets.
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06-12-2014 | 11:38 AM
Da Hudge
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Since you're having trouble following the discussion, let me help you out.
I was referring to sailing's ongoing butchering of the English language, not T's.
T has other problems, but he can at least write and spell correctly. And you have to give him credit. He went to Tennessee!
You're circling your wagons around the wrong amigo.
I was referring to sailing's ongoing butchering of the English language, not T's.
T has other problems, but he can at least write and spell correctly. And you have to give him credit. He went to Tennessee!
You're circling your wagons around the wrong amigo.
06-12-2014 | 11:46 AM
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The discussion is worthless because, as of now, I don't see how Sailing is proving we are one of the least efficient airlines.
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06-12-2014 | 11:49 AM
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And here we go again...
but this time we have Trainer. So what does this mean for Delta if the prices skyrocket?
Sectarian violence in Iraq sent the price of oil skyrocketing on Thursday, propelling both Brent and West Texas Intermediate up more than two percent amid growing concerns about a threat to global supply.
After a delayed reaction to turmoil raging in the country, oil prices soared as open warfare between rebel forces—threatening a reconquest of the country barely a few years after U.S. forces departed—and the government spilled on to the world stage. Iraq is a member of OPEC, second only to Saudi Arabia as one of the world’s largest producers of crude.
With violence threatening Iraq’s civilian population and overwhelming the country’s security forces, a shadowy group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Sham (ISIS) has managed to seize control of key cities including Mosul, the country’s second-largest, Ramadi, Falluja and Tikrit. Fears about global supply mounted, as reports surfaced that Russian tanks had moved into beleaguered Ukraine, sending crude on a tear and overwhelming the impact of lackluster U.S. economic data.
After a delayed reaction to turmoil raging in the country, oil prices soared as open warfare between rebel forces—threatening a reconquest of the country barely a few years after U.S. forces departed—and the government spilled on to the world stage. Iraq is a member of OPEC, second only to Saudi Arabia as one of the world’s largest producers of crude.
With violence threatening Iraq’s civilian population and overwhelming the country’s security forces, a shadowy group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Sham (ISIS) has managed to seize control of key cities including Mosul, the country’s second-largest, Ramadi, Falluja and Tikrit. Fears about global supply mounted, as reports surfaced that Russian tanks had moved into beleaguered Ukraine, sending crude on a tear and overwhelming the impact of lackluster U.S. economic data.
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