Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I wasn't calling in fatigued. I wanted to refuse an extension. Unbelievable to me that our captains don't care and have no problem pressuring our first officers into extending.

Originally Posted by Alan Shore

Are you saying that, in spite of you telling the Captain that you were not fit to go on, he pressured you into doing so? Sounds like a ProStan issue to me.

Originally Posted by badflaps

Most every thing is 5-10-15 overbooked. I'm waiting for the feds to blow the whistle.

Originally Posted by Piklepausepull

Is this the Emma Watson pic?

Wow she grew up "well"


http://resources0.news.com.au/images...mma-watson.jpg

Sorry: I'm not allowed to post pics....

Originally Posted by Brocc15

Her nipple cover things are showing lol. I don't read this often so I apologize if this has been mentioned... On Orange Is The New Black a guy that works at the prison is in a band called side boob. Thought of you guys immediately.

Onto actual related topics, why can't we request an earlier short call than 10 am on our first day on call? Would be a win-win. ALPA should fix this. There are tons of msp-Dtw commuters and the last flight back to Msp is at 7:45, so even with a two hour early release we can't get home.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

How does extending our flight duty period work? It happened to me yesterday. They kept pushing our flight back 15 minutes at a time until we were extended. I told my captain that I didn't want to extend. He pressured me into continuing. He also called crew tracking because I told him I thought we needed to concur. Crew tracking told him signing the release was concurring. I signed the release before I knew we were extending. How is that concurring? My point is it is very hard to turn down an extension. I was honestly too tired to even fight it so I flew the :45 min flight and took the path of least resistance. Actually the captain did. It was his leg. I have been more tired flying under 117 than I ever was under the old rules. You have to pretty much add a half hour to all the published FTD times because the 30 minute post flight does not count.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

Seems a bit hokey that we agree to an extension at the gate -- and not after a 1hr taxi.

Originally Posted by Scheduling Alert 14-02 FAR Part 117 Update, Page 4

FDP Extensions and signing the release

By signing the release, each pilot (including the PIC) is certifying that he is fit for duty for that flight. The PIC signature also indicates concurrence with the maximum permissible FDP extension for all pilots on the crew, if an extension is required. The PIC should consider all factors, including his fitness and the fitness of the other crew members, before making a decision to accept an extension to an FDP.

If unforeseen circumstances arise after signing the release, the PIC should reconsider his decision and notify the dispatcher if he no longer concurs with a planned extension. The other pilots on the crew should reevaluate their fitness for duty and notify the PIC if they are unable to continue.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I wasn't calling in fatigued. I wanted to refuse an extension. Not the same thing. Unbelievable that at a company like ours, breaking FAR's is acceptable. The FAA has specifically put out guidance saying that signing the release IS NOT CONSENT TO EXTEND yet we still do it that way. Unbelievable to me that our captains don't care and have no problem pressuring our first officers into extending. I should have called crew tracking and just refused. Next time I will. Unfortunately, it has been implied through memos that not extending is an abnormal here just like our commuting policy.