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Old 06-14-2014 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Piklepausepull
Is this the Emma Watson pic?

Wow she grew up "well"


http://resources0.news.com.au/images...mma-watson.jpg

Sorry: I'm not allowed to post pics....
Her nipple cover things are showing lol. I don't read this often so I apologize if this has been mentioned... On Orange Is The New Black a guy that works at the prison is in a band called side boob. Thought of you guys immediately.

Onto actual related topics, why can't we request an earlier short call than 10 am on our first day on call? Would be a win-win. ALPA should fix this. There are tons of msp-Dtw commuters and the last flight back to Msp is at 7:45, so even with a two hour early release we can't get home.
Old 06-14-2014 | 06:51 PM
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How to get arrested like a sir:

Old 06-14-2014 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Brocc15
Her nipple cover things are showing lol. I don't read this often so I apologize if this has been mentioned... On Orange Is The New Black a guy that works at the prison is in a band called side boob. Thought of you guys immediately.

Onto actual related topics, why can't we request an earlier short call than 10 am on our first day on call? Would be a win-win. ALPA should fix this. There are tons of msp-Dtw commuters and the last flight back to Msp is at 7:45, so even with a two hour early release we can't get home.
Old 06-14-2014 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
How does extending our flight duty period work? It happened to me yesterday. They kept pushing our flight back 15 minutes at a time until we were extended. I told my captain that I didn't want to extend. He pressured me into continuing. He also called crew tracking because I told him I thought we needed to concur. Crew tracking told him signing the release was concurring. I signed the release before I knew we were extending. How is that concurring? My point is it is very hard to turn down an extension. I was honestly too tired to even fight it so I flew the :45 min flight and took the path of least resistance. Actually the captain did. It was his leg. I have been more tired flying under 117 than I ever was under the old rules. You have to pretty much add a half hour to all the published FTD times because the 30 minute post flight does not count.
I've actually never had a captain that pushed it. It's always come down to "how are you doing? What do you want to do?" When I've felt rested and good, I've expressed that. When I've been whipped and fatigued, I've expressed that. In my experience, it's always been a team decision, as it should be.
Old 06-14-2014 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Seems a bit hokey that we agree to an extension at the gate -- and not after a 1hr taxi.
I agree but the reason behind it is that you are "prospectively" accepting an extension. If you were to exceed the limit without having agreed then you would be violating FAR117, it's a safety valve in case you bump up against the limit and haven't signed anything.

ALPA put out this regarding the signing of the release and then changing you mind on Jan. 16, 2014.
Originally Posted by Scheduling Alert 14-02 FAR Part 117 Update, Page 4

FDP Extensions and signing the release


By signing the release, each pilot (including the PIC) is certifying that he is fit for duty for that flight. The PIC signature also indicates concurrence with the maximum permissible FDP extension for all pilots on the crew, if an extension is required. The PIC should consider all factors, including his fitness and the fitness of the other crew members, before making a decision to accept an extension to an FDP.


If unforeseen circumstances arise after signing the release, the PIC should reconsider his decision and notify the dispatcher if he no longer concurs with a planned extension. The other pilots on the crew should reevaluate their fitness for duty and notify the PIC if they are unable to continue.
Old 06-14-2014 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I wasn't calling in fatigued. I wanted to refuse an extension. Not the same thing. Unbelievable that at a company like ours, breaking FAR's is acceptable. The FAA has specifically put out guidance saying that signing the release IS NOT CONSENT TO EXTEND yet we still do it that way. Unbelievable to me that our captains don't care and have no problem pressuring our first officers into extending. I should have called crew tracking and just refused. Next time I will. Unfortunately, it has been implied through memos that not extending is an abnormal here just like our commuting policy.
Semantics. You didn't have the big boy cojones to tell the Captain that you weren't going. You didn't have the professionalism to walk off the airplane and make the call. And now you blame DAPLA?? Look in the mirror.
Old 06-14-2014 | 07:34 PM
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What am I missing here? I thought the FAA said that our automatic extension policy was illegal. Both pilots have to agree to an extension and both pilots have to sign a new release. Look at scenario number two in this letter:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
Old 06-14-2014 | 07:43 PM
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I hate to change the subject from FAR 117 and bashing each other over the contract, but there is another call to action about NAI going on. I realize these things get repetitive, but it's time to let the Senate know our stance. Please take a minute this weekend to log and click the button (or mash it if you're in ATL). Takes just a little of your time and it could very well protect our careers. Thanks!
Old 06-14-2014 | 07:54 PM
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Thanks for the advice on bidding, fellas! I just backdoored my B, and for the first time ever, I won't have to rabidly play the drop/swap PCS game.
Old 06-14-2014 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
What am I missing here? I thought the FAA said that our automatic extension policy was illegal. Both pilots have to agree to an extension and both pilots have to sign a new release. Look at scenario number two in this letter:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
This bears re-posting
Check, you are not missing anything. The "automatic extension" policy is contrary to the FAA's interpretation of 117. If you sign the release before knowing about an extension, that signature does NOT mean that you approve any subsequent extension - no matter what the company says. You can only approve an extension AFTER you know about it.
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