All your hub are belong to us!

 

After a certain amount of time on here, everyone kind of figures out who's who. I don't think Ts, or sailing, posts anything on here anymore with the expectation of being anonymous.

After all of these years and thousands of posts, every one know's who they are.

 

I'm not a big proponent of pay banding but I'm curious to know where you got your figures for job loss and stagnation, me thinks it was your A$$. Maybe I'm wrong but I would think pay banding would (if done right) provide a much bigger pay raise to junior folks than senior folks.i agree there would be less training in the long run resulting in a more efficient airline. Due to massive retirements in the coming years the Delta training command is going to be 100% with or without pay banding.
People would be more interested in your posts if you would attack the message rather than the messenger.

 

Just my opinion

It is one thing to advocate for concessions and help management. Everyone is entitled to their viewpoint.

It is quite another to accept DALPA flight pay loss and work against our cause carrying water for management without your name attached.

While I do not know who is who, I fear many of those working against a historic 2015 are here and accept union flight pay loss. They also were instrumental in selling C2012 with empty threats, empty promises and false assumptions.

We cannot fail again.

The best example was "plan B".

Not buying the 717s. The ink was dry as usual. The planes were purchased. There was no other option.

We gave up a 2 hour ALV increase, changing the summer calendar and 99 hours for reserves for nothing.

If these 2 can't get on board when management is returning $2.75 billion to the shareholders in a second round.....

Their harm to the Delta pilots is severe. They are connected and influential.

Management's top 3 are:

Pay Banding
Reducing Profit sharing
Sick leave

Sailing and Tsquare will be selling full time that concessions in these areas are wins!!

There is no reason in the world to make concessions in this environment.

The Delta pilots have made over $15 billion in life changing concessions and counting.

Our concessionary contract is no longer necessary.

We do not want to kill the golden goose. We simply want a fair agreement that recognizes our sacrifices and our contributions.

 

Jerry, all these concessions you claim I support have really only accomplished a few things. They have almost doubled my pay since the bankruptcy and improved my quality of life. I want ever dime I can get in my last years. I think given the circumstances DALPA has delivered like no other airline union. In fact their performance since leaving chapter 11 probably surpasses unions in any business. You made it clear many times you want to burn the house down and dance on Delta's grave. The good news is the majority of pilots don't agree with you.
Does it really bother you so badly to see the projections put out for contract 2012 turning out to be if anything understated? Relax a little and enjoy life.
Take a look at this forums other threads and ask yourself why Delta appears to be the first choice for everyone wanting a airline job. The results speak loud and clear.

 

I'm sure you are much smarter than I am.

I got the same numbers from my fellow 1985 hires at United and American. As you know, they both already have pay banding. 4 bands.

They both stated the productivity gain for management is around 15%.

Imagine 9 fleets/8 bases and over 800 retirements in 12 months.

From my years of doing ALPA work, I estimate each retirement to result in 8 to 10 initial training cycles. But let's use 6.

800 X 6 = 4800. 4800 initial training cycles in 12 months. Never mind the cost, who will fly the planes?

And in the years when over 800 pilot retire at age 65, how many will really retire? 1100? 1200?

Right now retirements are running at 2 for every 1 scheduled to retire at age 65.

Pay banding is a massive concession that will further stagnate our careers. And if you are already at the top? Who cares? It won't harm you.

Pull up the ladder.

 

We certainly have different opinions. I feel like management took 4 times what they needed in chapter 11. Somehow it's ok for management to make millions for themselves while they feel we must accept a permanent reset.

Don't want to burn down the house. Just restore our profession.

Management has tough work to do and I respect them.

They do not have to make split second decisions in hundred million dollar machines that hold peoples lives in the balance.

What is the cost of an accident? AF 447? $500 million? $1 billion?

That my friend is a lot of responsibility. A responsibility that no other job entails.

Let's all work together in a honest and honorable fashion to make the gains we so richly deserve.

Jerry

 

Ask during the next base visit. My understanding is Delta will order the rest if they can stabilize Mesabah/Pinnacle/Endeavor. Mesabah says the employment situation there is not stable enough to spend the money yet.

 

If I'm not mistaken most of the retirements will come off the top paying equipment so there will still be lots of training going on which neither you nor I can quantify. What does not a proponent of pay banding mean to you ? I will be a dot long before pay banding is even an issue. I'm soon to fall off the ladder you accuse me of pulling up.

 

In this extremely profitable environment I am opposed to granting further concessions, especially those that cost jobs.

The day I retire, I will care just as much for the pilot on the bottom of the seniority list as I do myself.

I hope you will do the same.

Ask your reps. Going forward pay banding is a 15% productivity gain for management. That is 1800 pilots.

Haven't we given enough?

Jerry