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07-07-2014 | 06:56 PM
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What is the gouge for listing for UAL jumpseat? Is it like AA where you need to go online and list somewhere? Thanks in advance...DW
07-07-2014 | 08:04 PM
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Im for 8:00 ADG, immediately. I ponder this: How were airline pilots ever suckered to accept per diem for layovers? If I am on company time, I want to get paid at least minimum wage for the time that I am not on ADG.
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07-07-2014 | 08:06 PM
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Yep. I pay an attorney $295/hr. to read and send e-mails. I think we deserve $295/hr. to get that attorney safely to JFK in the middle of a blizzard.
07-07-2014 | 08:19 PM
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I've never had a problem listing at check-in counter or at the gate if already behind security. TSA at JFK doesn't let me through security w/o having UAL paperwork (when not in uniform).
07-07-2014 | 08:41 PM
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Raising the ADG would be fine in my book but I don't see how it will raise my overall pay. Gonna have to follow me on the logic, which may be hard!
Many pilots already fly to the monthly maximum. With the bidding system we have of a maximum credit time per month (ALV+15), all I see a higher ADG doing is getting to that maximum in fewer days, which is a good thing of course, but I don't necessarily see it increasing ones monthly pay. Am I missing something? Wouldn't be the first time. So I'm a little bit skeptical of giving up pay increases for it.
Denny
Many pilots already fly to the monthly maximum. With the bidding system we have of a maximum credit time per month (ALV+15), all I see a higher ADG doing is getting to that maximum in fewer days, which is a good thing of course, but I don't necessarily see it increasing ones monthly pay. Am I missing something? Wouldn't be the first time. So I'm a little bit skeptical of giving up pay increases for it.
Denny
07-07-2014 | 08:46 PM
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Well, I posted this a few days ago and nobody said anything. Guess I was too much of a wuss.
Here's my proposal: Agree to a 3 year contract with pay raises of 0/0/0.
On date of signing-2015, ADG goes from 5:15 to 6:00. At end of 2016, ADG goes to 6:45. At end of 2017, ADG goes to 7:30. At end of 2018, ADG goes to 8:00.
Simple easy argument to make with the public and the NMB. Pilots will be guaranteed at least 8 hours of pay for the days they work.
Carl
Here's my proposal: Agree to a 3 year contract with pay raises of 0/0/0.
On date of signing-2015, ADG goes from 5:15 to 6:00. At end of 2016, ADG goes to 6:45. At end of 2017, ADG goes to 7:30. At end of 2018, ADG goes to 8:00.
Simple easy argument to make with the public and the NMB. Pilots will be guaranteed at least 8 hours of pay for the days they work.
Carl
Ie., how exactly do they get a raise?
07-07-2014 | 09:59 PM
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07-08-2014 | 01:07 AM
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Jerry,
First of all, thank you for the reply PM. I agree that we must stand strong AGAINST concessions for C2015. In this time of record profits and industry health, I don't believe we should have to "trade" anything for contract improvements either.
Secondly, ya gotta stop using the previous six months of this year's retirements as a "data point" to "cost future retirements." It just doesn't hold water.
I mentioned in a previous post, you then replied, it IS NOT a linear curve, especially based on only the previous six months. Mandatory retirements are listed below:
2014: 62
2015: 170
2016: 229
2017: 287
2018: 416
2019: 511
2020: 613
With what you've stated, we should have 4576 retirements between 2014 & 2020? I wish,
but that's not a realistic number.
As someone else posted, it normally averages the mandatory retirements, PLUS 1% of the seniority list. (~120) With 62 mandatory retirements this year, plus ~120 pilots, I expect to see ~182 pilot retirements for 2014. Approximately 71 remaining retirements for 2014. (Average six/month for remainder of the year, might be slightly low.) Next year, 170 mandatory retirements, plus 120 pilots lends to the possibility of 290 (2015) pilot retirements.
It's all a guess until it's in the past, but having our reps take a doubled number of retirements to the negotiating committee calling it "costed data" is doing nobody any good.
Thanks for your concern, at your seniority level. (I mean that.)
Kyle
First of all, thank you for the reply PM. I agree that we must stand strong AGAINST concessions for C2015. In this time of record profits and industry health, I don't believe we should have to "trade" anything for contract improvements either.
Secondly, ya gotta stop using the previous six months of this year's retirements as a "data point" to "cost future retirements."
It just doesn't hold water. I mentioned in a previous post, you then replied, it IS NOT a linear curve, especially based on only the previous six months. Mandatory retirements are listed below:
2014: 62
2015: 170
2016: 229
2017: 287
2018: 416
2019: 511
2020: 613
With what you've stated, we should have 4576 retirements between 2014 & 2020? I wish,
but that's not a realistic number. As someone else posted, it normally averages the mandatory retirements, PLUS 1% of the seniority list. (~120) With 62 mandatory retirements this year, plus ~120 pilots, I expect to see ~182 pilot retirements for 2014. Approximately 71 remaining retirements for 2014. (Average six/month for remainder of the year, might be slightly low.) Next year, 170 mandatory retirements, plus 120 pilots lends to the possibility of 290 (2015) pilot retirements.
It's all a guess until it's in the past, but having our reps take a doubled number of retirements to the negotiating committee calling it "costed data" is doing nobody any good.
Thanks for your concern, at your seniority level. (I mean that.)
Kyle
07-08-2014 | 01:24 AM
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Plus, reserve and commuting is a choice.
07-08-2014 | 02:06 AM
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For a line pilot it'd be the same concept, work less, and while you're at work yes you would probably fly more but we could argue that we want line construction rules to prevent some of that increase in work.
For a reserve it could mean only working 11-12 days a month. Albeit those might be full days but the nature of RES is you are covering for things and not all of those trips can be 8 hour days. So it's a decrease in days and possibly an increase in staffing? maybe?
For a line pilot it would probably be more flying while at work but 15 days worked a month would be a pay increase at 6.75 vs 5.15 ADG. It'd be a 30% increase at the end of the year.
But you could do something like Carl said, ADG first then pay raise.
As for a 747 guy in De-twa' or a 330 guy out of SEA, I don't know how much would really change as far as trying to cram in more flying into a 4-day. but maybe I am wrong.
You still have legal rest requirements to meet (albeit I don't have a clue at what you guys have for rest requirements) but a 24 or 25 hour 4-day to Asia would become a 27 hour 4-day.
I'm just batting this around looking for the issues.
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