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scambo1 07-09-2014 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1680511)
Just read the Council 20 update. It still boggles my mind that after we negotiated 117, we still might have to defend ourselves to the CPO for NOT willing to EXCEED our FAR limit. This extension incorporated into the new FAR is such crap. Why make a limit and then allow it to be extended.

Far limit? I'm not willing to exceed my contractual limit. No defense required, but I'll happily talk to the cp...so what.

DAL 88 Driver 07-09-2014 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1680530)
I have never seen the costing of the Northwest bankruptcy deal, but in the Delta deal the value of our returns ended up eclipsing the value of our concessions, including the loss of the pension plan.

This is great news!!! How did I miss this?! I figure my average deficit on pay for the past 10 years due to the pay cuts is close to $100K/year. That's $1 million dollars total. Who do I need to call to get my $1 million back? Or is it hiding in my bank account somewhere and I just missed it? :eek: :rolleyes:

Mesabah 07-09-2014 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1680563)
This is great news!!! How did I miss this?! I figure my average deficit on pay for the past 10 years due to the pay cuts is close to $100K/year. That's $1 million dollars total. Who do I need to call to get my $1 million back? Or is it hiding in my bank account somewhere and I just missed it? :eek: :rolleyes:

Alfa is correct, the bankruptcy concessions have been restored, and then some. The problem is guys are considering restoration of the pre-bankruptcy concessions as well, however, those were straight charity to the company.

sevenfiveseven 07-09-2014 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1680429)
Dude.

You did not just in any way compare real football to soccer.

Go to your room and think about what you just did.

both great sports and both are football.

BTW, the largest sporting event in the world is Sunday. Can you guess what that is?

Mesabah 07-09-2014 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven (Post 1680599)
both great sports and both are football.

BTW, the largest sporting event in the world is Sunday. Can you guess what that is?

I don't care, as long as it involves this:

gzsg 07-09-2014 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1680563)
This is great news!!! How did I miss this?! I figure my average deficit on pay for the past 10 years due to the pay cuts is close to $100K/year. That's $1 million dollars total. Who do I need to call to get my $1 million back? Or is it hiding in my bank account somewhere and I just missed it? :eek: :rolleyes:

So happy management is here to let us know we have been restored!

Top spin machine post ever. And that is saying something.

Denny Crane 07-09-2014 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1680563)
This is great news!!! How did I miss this?! I figure my average deficit on pay for the past 10 years due to the pay cuts is close to $100K/year. That's $1 million dollars total. Who do I need to call to get my $1 million back? Or is it hiding in my bank account somewhere and I just missed it? :eek: :rolleyes:

I raised an eyebrow at that too! :confused:...................Ahhhh, it took me a minute but I figure he is talking strictly the concessions in bankruptcy, not the letter 46 concessions pre-bankruptcy. Still feel I got screwed in that deal...

The other thing I have is a different view on why US Air was "parked." IMO it was more because of the SLI than anything else. Isn't it true that, if there would have been a new/joint contract, that Nicolau would have been implemented?

Denny

GunshipGuy 07-09-2014 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1680508)
Last night, we had to go back to the gate due to FAR 117. We were going to go over 9 hours block for day if we took off. We laid over, then deadheaded back to base this morning on our off day. My time card is showing reroute pay, but it is still open. Will that reroute pay stick?

Did your dispatcher try to talk you into taking off anyway because "you could 'cut the corner' (on our out of the way westerly rather than southernly desired routing)" like ours did last month? :eek:

DAL 88 Driver 07-09-2014 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1680577)
Alfa is correct, the bankruptcy concessions have been restored, and then some. The problem is guys are considering restoration of the pre-bankruptcy concessions as well, however, those were straight charity to the company.

Ah, yes. How very "Lee Moak" of him...

"The January 1 pay rate increase represents an increase of roughly $75 million in value for the Delta pilots. It also marks somewhat of a milestone in that the New Year pay rates will be above those that were in place when Delta filed for bankruptcy protection in 2005." - Lee Moak, Chairman's Letter, September 23, 2010

Problem is that a very large number of Delta pilots do not consider our "pre-bankruptcy" concession of a draconian, unprecedented 32.5% pay cut to be a permanent reset. Many of us (most?) considered the 32.5% pay cut to be an extreme measure taken in an extreme emergency in an effort to try and keep our company from going into bankruptcy. I don't think any of us at the time intended or even envisioned that this would be permanent. (Adjusted for cost of living increase, our current pay rates are a 34% pay cut.)

Then along came Lee Moak, along with guys like Alfa, and voila... now we have a lot of folks accepting this drastically reduced value for our profession as a new norm. AND we've got a full decade of precedence indicating to management, Wall Street, etc. that we accept this "new norm" and have no intention of restoring our profession and our careers.

Way to go, Moak, Alfa, et al. Maybe someday you will be inducted into the Bean Counter Cost Cutting Hall of Fame! ;)

DAL 88 Driver 07-09-2014 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1680611)
So happy management is here to let us know we have been restored!

Top spin machine post ever. And that is saying something.

I don't know. I think it might be a tie with this one:

"The January 1 pay rate increase represents an increase of roughly $75 million in value for the Delta pilots. It also marks somewhat of a milestone in that the New Year pay rates will be above those that were in place when Delta filed for bankruptcy protection in 2005." - Lee Moak, Chairman's Letter, September 23, 2010


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