Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-21-2014 | 09:49 AM
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Alan,
You are generally one of the most level headed and objective posters on here. It amazes me how some guys get so aggressive and critical of fellow DAL Pilots - we are all on the same team, we all want the same thing.
I have been attacked on here every so often - usually when another Pilot
misinterprets my meaning - I guess it goes with the territory.
Keep up the excellent and informative posts.
Scoop
You are generally one of the most level headed and objective posters on here. It amazes me how some guys get so aggressive and critical of fellow DAL Pilots - we are all on the same team, we all want the same thing.
I have been attacked on here every so often - usually when another Pilot
misinterprets my meaning - I guess it goes with the territory.
Keep up the excellent and informative posts.
Scoop
07-21-2014 | 09:53 AM
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If you guys would spend just half the time you take to come up with insults, by instead looking for pics of hot chicks, or coming up with great stories, or making up fantastic rumors, you would distract more people. Ie. you would have a larger audience.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
Here's a new rumor: Any new heavy order will come with all new flight attendants:
07-21-2014 | 09:54 AM
No longer cares
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From: 767er Captain
If you want the iron clad all encompassing scope clause, you need to work for SWA or ALK. (But I believe SWA's is in serious jeopardy.. JMHO)
07-21-2014 | 09:57 AM
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Again, I don't disagree with what you are saying but you really did not answer my question which, paraphrased, was "What penalty, other than money, do we get from the company for contract violations and how do we keep them from violating the contract anytime they want to in the future?" Oops, I guess that's 2 questions. That's fine. I don't know that there is an answer to it.
Denny
Denny
Originally Posted by Answer to Question #1
Denny,
ALPA has always had contract language to deal with staffing. An easy fix to the AF/KLM deficit was language which required Delta staff for our share of flying without regard for whether it was actually scheduled & flown.
ALPA has always had contract language to deal with staffing. An easy fix to the AF/KLM deficit was language which required Delta staff for our share of flying without regard for whether it was actually scheduled & flown.
Originally Posted by Answer for #2
I'd think the first step would be for we line guys to seriously consider what we state in our survey responses.
Delta is quite a ways away from being able to be "Delta" without Delta pilots, but it would appear we are bracketed on the top and bottom ends of our flying.
07-21-2014 | 09:58 AM
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Yeah but the corrupt and economically failed process that makes any of that possible in the first place only serves to drive up the prices everyone pays while artificially increasing irrational competition in the long run. BA and AB claim they each "have to" do it only because the other does it. Meanwhile its creating a massive bubble that will come to a head as the dellusional fake royal emerati and company begin to flood our skies with unbeliebeavle amounts of false market competition in the form of government backed capacity.
07-21-2014 | 09:59 AM
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ACL, you know darn well Delta is not in compliance with PWA 1.P.4:
We are now in the "cure" period and Delta has until March 31, 2015 to come into compliance as mentioned in 1.P.6:
We are now in the "cure" period and Delta has until March 31, 2015 to come into compliance as mentioned in 1.P.6:
- Per the PWA were supposed to have 50% share of the flying
- The PWA gave the company 1.5% "wiggle room" on a 3-year average
- On March 31, 2014 we ended the first 3-year look-back.
- Delta fell short of even the 48.5% lower band and clocked in at 46.8% (OAG data says 47%).
- We are actually below our historic share of flying before adding Alitalia to the TAJV, when 52% went to 47.5%*.
07-21-2014 | 10:07 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I won't argue that point at all. But if it weren't for those other entities, Delta would not be the global power it is. So it is up to them to make themselves "more expensive". It is simply not practical for us to serve all markets into which we now have reach. It is extremely naive to believe otherwise. So we need to strike the balance. I agree that the JV flying is out of whack (or will be) and (sorry ACL) to say that it currently is not out of compliance while true, is legalese that is just silly. Anyone with a pulse that is remotely paying attention knows that it WILL be when the time comes. And like most on here, I believe we should be made whole. Now... how do we do that without "selling" jobs?
If you want the iron clad all encompassing scope clause, you need to work for SWA or ALK. (But I believe SWA's is in serious jeopardy.. JMHO)
If you want the iron clad all encompassing scope clause, you need to work for SWA or ALK. (But I believe SWA's is in serious jeopardy.. JMHO)
SWA needs only the right management, back office systems and procedures. Richard Anderson's team could do wonders with that place.
T, the answer is easy enough. Force Delta to staff our share, whether or not we perform it. Pilots move up the stove pipe and get paid; Delta loses the financial interest to engage in illegal self-help.
I find it interesting that if I engage in blatant self-help, I would be fired. When management does it, we talk and maybe exchange some percentage of the actual harm caused. Yes, I understand it was inconvenient to comply with our Contract, but how would Delta respond if we acted in similar fashion and stated, "you know with Ebola, terrorists blowing things up and Malaria; we just don't find that back to back red eye trip that duties in after 22:00 just to cheat us out of a day's pay to be an appealing place to do business in."
There is a ridiculous double standard. If I'm ever President of ALPA, I'm going to kill the RLA, or die tryin.
07-21-2014 | 10:12 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I do think our next heavy order will be coordinated with Virgin. It seems an economic certainty.
07-21-2014 | 10:13 AM
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From: Light Chop
But Newk, welcome to the SEC now that we have you here. First things first, the 2015 National Champions is the University of Georgia. No doubt about it. Book it.
This is the case every July and August. Things change in early September. By October deer are dying in mass on Saturdays.
I tease. This year UGA has been a little quiet.
07-21-2014 | 10:14 AM
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