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Old 09-04-2014 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
Or ###A at 30%... ###A at 50%.... and so on then 717.
Old 09-04-2014 | 08:41 AM
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How do the additional 5 Virgin U.S. routes affect our JV scope language?

Has DALPA put anything out on this?
Old 09-04-2014 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
You nailed it. This is how the insiders operate. They know they can sell C2015 with threats and false promises.

Im 100% sure CDOs will be in C2015.
I hope so!

I liked them when I flew them on two different fleets. I would bid them if they were available. Putting them in the survey would be a good idea for gauging pilot preference.

Just curious; have you ever seen your personal opinions validated by the pilot group in a vote? I can't remember a membership ratification vote where your plea for "vote no" was held by anywhere near a majority of your fellow pilots.

I think you were even among the 12% that voted no to the unilateral pay increases in 2003/04. Is that correct?
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
How do the additional 5 Virgin U.S. routes affect our JV scope language?

Has DALPA put anything out on this?
Do we have any virgin JV language?
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Put 1 vote in the no column then.....
Putting 1 in every column doesnt work. I tried
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
I hope so!

I liked them when I flew them on two different fleets. I would bid them if they were available. Putting them in the survey would be a good idea for gauging pilot preference.

Just curious; have you ever seen your personal opinions validated by the pilot group in a vote? I can't remember a membership ratification vote where your plea for "vote no" was held by anywhere near a majority of your fellow pilots.

I think you were even among the 12% that voted no to the unilateral pay increases in 2003/04. Is that correct?
...speaking of agendas....
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
It's my 7th or 8th choice.
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
I hope so!

I liked them when I flew them on two different fleets. I would bid them if they were available. Putting them in the survey would be a good idea for gauging pilot preference.

Just curious; have you ever seen your personal opinions validated by the pilot group in a vote? I can't remember a membership ratification vote where your plea for "vote no" was held by anywhere near a majority of your fellow pilots.

I think you were even among the 12% that voted no to the unilateral pay increases in 2003/04. Is that correct?
Any way you slice it, CDOs lower our level of safety. Why would we make concessions?

Let's poll the pilots separately on CDOs and publish the results.

We both know that will never happen. This question in the survey is all the insiders need to get the company what they desire. They know the pilots will vote yes after the threats and outlandish projections.

I flew CDOs many times as a young man and always was less than 100%.

Underestimating the pilots this time around will be a game changing mistake.
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
While it may be misleading, if you count the total #senior to you it can be fairly accurate at predicting how junior it may go. I'm in the 10,3XX range and right now there are 44 total senior to me bidding it. 24 total in the 1st to 3rd preference. There are 160 senior to me bidding the 330B in SEA with 109 in the 1st to 3rd preference. This thing may go a lot more junior that some guys are thinking.
Old 09-04-2014 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Do we have any virgin JV language?
No.
Which means our Virgin JV language is currently more effective than our AF/KLM language.

Our scope clause only exists so it can be amended.


Last edited by Check Essential; 09-04-2014 at 10:22 AM.
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