Why just major airline operations?

How is it less safe for us to fly CDO's when they're accepted across our ramp?

CDO's exist because we permit Delta to outsource our flying and those pilots have agreed to do them.

If we fix our scope hypocrisy, killing CDO's would not even be a question.

Ummm... because we don't currently fly CDO's. Duh. It's like my mother used to say... "Just because all the other kids jump off a cliff, are you going to?" Just because regional airlines (who's primary objective in this grand outsourcing experiment is to have the lowest cost possible) do CDO's doesn't in any way mean we should.

Wrong. CDO's existed long before Delta started outsourcing our flying. They were invented by the regionals a long time ago as a way to get around the FAR minimum rest requirements. How do you think they came to be known as "illegals?" :eek:

CDO's are simply a way for the company to solve some scheduling/cost issues and a way for some pilots to enjoy every day at home (and rationalize getting by on the few hours of sleep on the CDO) so they can run a side business or spend time with family, etc.

I'm all for fixing our "scope hypocrisy" but this particular issue has very little to do with scope.

What's the over / under that it still ends up in C2015?

If you didn't read the rotation construction committee email, go retrieve it from your trash bin. It is pretty dang funny. One mans trash is another mans treasure.


Oh, and thanks guys for all the Garmisch and Salzburg info. We are wading through the already too long to accomplish list.

What's going on with Richard Branson?

Unfortunately they do know the effect, they don't care...it's the entire green slip mentality. Always thought it was strange when some reps would say "one of the jobs is to protect the pilots from themselves" this is a good example.

It was pure gold. I especially love the part where they explain that the union doesn't actually buy airplanes or make route decisions.

You might want to question this Reps motives. This MEC works on majority rule. The minority has been reminded numerous times if they want their position to prevail to convince and win consensus, or otherwise respect the will of the majority.

Now suddenly the majority decides to mollify the minority by putting a controversial issue in the survey? Doesn't pass the sniff test. Sounds more like scapegoating someone else's position.

I have a copy of an email from a C20 member to the MEC Chair over the original CDO language and the Chairman's response that it did not originate with C20, yet now it's in the survey because of a noisy minority?

Here's a clue - it likely was a noisy minority - of appointed long time Moak associates who still work in the inner circle of the MEC who don't need no stinkin' Democracy. Clearly not the will of elected voting majority, or minority. :eek:

One of the anointed will be in DTW tomorrow for the C2015 roadshows maybe someone should ask him and the Chairman, and one of the negotiators directly and publicly how the language needed up in the survey.

Maybe they were just honoring the will of the Company?

Never mind